This is not actually live, but on PPPoker which is a homegame from my region and plays exactly like live.

I'm on CO with J986 with spades and hearts.
My stack is 541
Big stack is 1.3k on BB (he has 75% vpip, 44% pfr and 23% 3bet)
Hijack has 424
Short stack is on SB with 175


Fish on hijack opens 7, I call, Button folds, SB calls, BB (mega fish with big stack) pots 42, Hijack calls, I call, SB now pots 175, mega fish BB calls, Hijack calls.
Pot is 532 I need 133 to call.
Standard call?

Flop is:
784 all spades. I have J9 of spades.
Pot is 707, BB (fish) checks, Hijack jams 291.

Easy call/shove the rest 373?
Does Hijack jams 2 pairs here?
My read was that he was bad and station.

Snap call

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and about preflop?

try not to put in 100 bbs pre with random disconnected rundowns

Try not to make random statements that don't always apply to every situation.... ofc you don't want to be in this spot, but at no point was folding the best option.

@OP; I would 3b pre in the first place; our hand doesn't want to go multi-way - it plays best HU or 3-way and by calling we invite it to go 5 way potentially with BTN/SB + BB. I guess BB would still cold call a fair amount of 3b's but he at least has more chance of folding and if we get it 3 way IP vs BB and HJ that's a decent outcome.

You might have flat wanting to keep the SPR high with big fish in there but when BB is 3b a lot anyway, you only end up putting more into the pot anyway so better to just take the aggressive action yourself first. Exception could be if he's also 4b a lot too.

Can never fold to 4b closing action and you obv have to stackoff on flop.

With a very active 3-bettor in the hand, you should consider folding this first time around. You're doing fine against a guy who just 3-bets AAxx, but not great against someone who 3-bets more widely. I think once you call the first bet, you probably have to call the 3-bet, and then you definitely need to call the 4-bet. Obviously get it in on the flop. Whole hand pre is meh. No obvious mistakes but when you get $175 in pre with this hand something went wrong somewhere along the line.

Agree w/ Ivanovic. I d rather 3b pre than call.

If you call a 4b pre with that hand, you should have every intention of stacking off when you flop [flush,straight, top two+].

Shove your 375 in on the flop. Straights, sets, and flushes are likely all jamming on this flop in hijack's spot (maybe even top two), which is a range you are crushing:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: 784

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
js9s8h6h	54.34%	325,976	129
ss,77,88,44,65	45.66%	273,895	129

You need at least 25% equity to profitably stack off here, and you have far more than that.

I'm not folding at any point as played. 3! The first time around is reasonable, and in certain games I would consider jamming over the 175.

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I would be reluctant to believe that he is jamming with less than a queen-high flush if the "station" label is accurate. A calling station often has the same range as a nit when they make significant bets and raises. Are you calling a jam from a nit here?

If he is passive and sees a set as a drawing hand with a flush/straight possible, then I would expect him to usually not bet a set. Some players also bet with a stronger range when a player is all in and there is a dry side pot.

This hand is problematic and I probably would have found a fold preflop. It's acceptable if it is likely to be heads-up or if you can get in cheap in late position.

Fold pre. Given the position and the table, this hand is absolute garbage. After the initial call, there's nothing you can do.

With an SPR of .4, hijack has to jam any flush, straight, two pair, or set. This is +EV if everybody folds as little as 2 in 7 times, even assuming that when called, HJ will lose. Factor in that HJ will win some times when called, and this is even more +EV. Given that wide of a shoving range, hero can reshove with a wide range as well.

No, but they have a completely different range pre getting into this flop. Cs has all straights and most sets that he/she can incorrectly/correctly shove. Easy call.

Also cs often ship the rest into flops like this with a straight when SPR is low, nits do not.

Obviously, different calling stations have different threshold for betting and stack size matters here, but stations tend to be more passive than usual. Their mentality on this pot is sometimes going to be that they are unlikely to get called by a worse hand on the flop if they have a straight or small flush, so they are either happy to check it down or wait to the turn or river when checks by opponent make them confident they have the best hand.

I would guess that at least half of my regular player pool isn't jamming with a set or straight in HJ's spot on the flop. The players I would describe as stations are generally the ones who check and call too often on multiple streets with the second- or third nuts.

the flop is a good spot to stack off, folding would be crazy.

Results pretty pls

The mind boggles at how many hand categories lie below "absolute garbage".

The mind boggles at how many hand categories lie below "absolute garbage". (Considering that this hand has 25% equity against 3 other top 25% hands.)

This statement seems to contradict itself.

Can you expand on how folding at some point preflop (before putting in $175 of a $541 stack) is anything OTHER THAN the best option?

Pot odds baby!

No it doesn't. Sometimes you get into spots in poker where every decision is correct but had you known what the action would be beforehand you would have done something different.

That being said, looking back at the hand I think we can potentially not get ourselves in the situation in a couple ways. 1. by 3b in first place (situation can still happen but it has better outcomes overall for us) 2. by just folding to 3b. SB who is short comparatively is still to act and if he's any sort of decent player he should be trapping somewhat frequently given BB's 3b tendencies. Not just that but playing this hand 4 way is far from ideal.

Obv we can never fold to 4b though because of pot odds + closing action.

Poker decisions aren't correct or incorrect in absolute, rather EV is a matter of degree. Some decisions will share the attribute of being +ev, but there is always one best decision meaning the most +ev decision. If that's what you mean by correct/incorrect then sure.

I don't think you can say without reservation that calling this 4bet is never -ev. It's certainly not hugely +ev, and lack of experience may turn a break even situation into a highly -ev situation. I do agree with you for the most part though. 3betting in the first place is clearly the correct play.

-EV plays are incorrect. +EV plays are correct.

I'd argue there is a potential exit point folding to the first raise, given a sufficiently high enough probability of a 3bet behind you if you just call.

It's not a dichotomy. Sometimes a play is +ev and another is more +ev. Both plays would be 'correct' by your metric but really the only correct play is the one that maximizes ev. Like I said, it's a matter of degree