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10-07-2018 , 01:03 PM

gallagher99

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Hey guys, this hand was played on PPPoker
We had around 400 stack, villain is INSANELY BAD with over 85% vpip he is crazy station.

Anyway, I have TT86 with 2 diamonds, all table fold, he completes the blind and I pot to $6, he calls.

Flop is TJ6 with 2 spades, he checks I pot, he calls.

turn is $24 and brings another J.
He checks, I pot and he calls.

river is 3 of spades.
He checks, I pot and he check raises pot, about $50 more to call.

Is there any way to play this differently?
I block TJ, I block the 6, and the 3 seems disconected, but could also be in his range

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10-07-2018 , 01:06 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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did u know there are other bet sizings?

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10-07-2018 , 01:26 PM

gallagher99

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

did u know there are other bet sizings?

really?

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10-07-2018 , 02:28 PM

illiterat

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If the 6 pairs the turn then it's fine to keep potting and never fold, if he has JJ or 66 with his range then gg. But when the J pairs his pre flop range is really bad for you, because he 100% has a bunch of J3 in his range and all of them make it to the river. Eg.

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board: TJ6J3

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
TT	58.48%	349,698	2,327
J:85%	41.52%	247,975	2,327

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10-07-2018 , 02:55 PM

NMcNasty

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

did u know there are other bet sizings?

Not vs drooling fish with a set or boat. Both betting and using that sizing for all streets is mandatory IMO.

Facing the all in is tough (btw plz fix OP, I assume river is more than $50). You really have to make a specific read as to what exactly type of fish villain is. A call is horrendous vs loose/passive stations, and a fold is horrendous vs clueless aggros who are thrilled to make their flush.

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10-07-2018 , 04:19 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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Not vs drooling fish with a set or boat. Both betting and using that sizing for all streets is mandatory IMO.

yah, we wouldn't want the loose player to draw to a straight or flush on the turn, it wouldn't be sporting

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10-07-2018 , 05:19 PM

NMcNasty

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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble

yah, we wouldn't want the loose player to draw to a straight or flush on the turn, it wouldn't be sporting

Maybe a “a loose player” is someone we would be afraid to price out. Villain is “INSANELY BAD with over 85% vpip he is crazy station” though. Not a situation where fine-tuning our sizing is necessary.

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10-07-2018 , 08:26 PM

kisada

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insanely bad can mean a lot of things but crazy station speaks for itself. i agree that it's not a situation where we need to be tuning our bet sizing.

think i'd have a hard time folding with our blockers. we remove so much of what he's c/r'ing here with and having TT removes some J from his range also.

but at same i do think we see J3 here a lot, as this is a line that seems consistent with a guy who, say, check/called flop with AJK3.

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10-07-2018 , 08:45 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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on the river we can't really fold getting 5:1 with a boat

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10-07-2018 , 09:06 PM

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MIB211

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A couple of thoughts:

1. Even the biggest station will often fold a draw when the turn pairs the board. When V calls turn i think he normally has trip Js+.
2. People very rarely bluff raise on the river. When they do it’s usually because they have a nut flush blocker. People also usually don’t raise the underfull here for value. I think river is a fold. I put V on jacks full, esp J3.

Edited - if V really only has 50 left calling is fine. I thought we were $400 effective and V made a full pot sized raise.

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10-08-2018 , 12:43 PM

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Vanhaomena

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Gotta pay the man his $50

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10-08-2018 , 05:54 PM

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cardporn

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as mentioned your potsizes are off.
flop $12; if you pot and he calls -> turn $36 -> river $108
if you pot the river and he jams there is like $250 behind which is quite a difference
he might turn a Jxxx into a bluff if he puts you on a flush but i doubt players like you described will do so

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