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Old 09-11-2017, 03:56 AM   #1
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PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

PLO200

100BB Effective

Unknown UTG+1 raises pot

Hero calls on the BTN w/ JcTcTh7s

Villain calls in the BB

Flop: Kh Qh 2s

Villain leads out 4/5ths of the pot, UTG+1 folds.

Hero calls with the T hearts blocker, thinking of repping hearts if checked to.

Turn: Kh Qh 2s Jc

Villain checks, Hero thinks and Bets 4/5ths pot.

Villain calls.

River: Kh Qh 2s Jc 7d

Villain checks. Hero?

What worse hands fold, what better hands call?

Should we go big, or go small?

Should we go to the park or to the mall?
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:46 AM   #2
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

Strange for BB to lead this texture vs UTG+1 open. I think flop call is fine though.
I'd play the turn as You did, OTR I'd pot or bet close to pot, 2pair should find a fold pretty easily.
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:23 PM   #3
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

Thanks, sngrush. I am a donk.

ALL: My actual hand was JcJsTh7s so I have a set! on the turn..
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:38 PM   #4
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

Nah, don't like it.

From BB, villain's range is more weighted towards hearts than the KK or QQ not that trying to rep a flush vs a villain set is that great of a play anyway. Also if you're floating with the intention of bluffing out 2pair its a little silly to think you have any real value betting if you make a set yourself.

Fold flop, checkback turn (as played), checkback river (as played).
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Old 09-11-2017, 04:08 PM   #5
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

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Also if you're floating with the intention of bluffing out 2pair its a little silly to think you have any real value betting if you make a set yourself.
in my simple brain, we has set on turn, so bet.. we may be ahead (and if not we can make a straight, in addition we rarely get check raised here) and plenty of worse 2 pair, heart combinations can call.

i think that turn is a bet and a check behind on the river,
and am very interested by the fact you like a turn check with a set.
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Old 09-11-2017, 06:13 PM   #6
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in my simple brain, we has set on turn, so bet.. we may be ahead (and if not we can make a straight, in addition we rarely get check raised here) and plenty of worse 2 pair, heart combinations can call.
I mean that's not really wrong, betting I'm sure is +EV and might even be slightly superior to checking, its just completely inconsistent with your flop line. If you give your opponent enough respect that a float might actually work you probably also should give him enough respect that he sometimes will be C/Ring that turn and also is good enough to fold 2 pair.

In general I give PLO200 players enough respect that I don't think there's much value in betting fifth nuts after they lead into 2 players on such an action board. I think I need a specific read that villain donks flops a lot and plays fit or fold to take your line.
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Old 09-11-2017, 09:47 PM   #7
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

I value bet river with JJ
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Old 09-12-2017, 01:12 PM   #8
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

Wait is this live? LOL, easy value bets if so.
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Old 09-12-2017, 01:58 PM   #9
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

sorry, i should i have put in post. This was 6-max.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:12 PM   #10
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

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I mean that's not really wrong, betting I'm sure is +EV and might even be slightly superior to checking, its just completely inconsistent with your flop line.
What do you mean inconsistent with your flop line? Do you mean OP betting this hand ott is inconsistent with OP's reasoning for calling flop?

I would also check the turn but (having checked turn) would probably bet river for value figuring an opponent who would lead this board MW might also be the type to make a river call in a borderline spot.
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Old 09-15-2017, 02:54 PM   #11
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Re: PLO200 Am I Valuebetting or Bluffing?

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Do you mean OP betting this hand ott is inconsistent with OP's reasoning for calling flop?
Yes, a naked straight draw on the flop isn't good enough to simply draw with. To call (float) you need fold equity on the turn. You can't really have both fold equity and thin value on turn unless your opponent is in there with all kinds of garbage, which IMO won't be the case for an online PLO200 player who lead into two players on the flop.

That said any difference in EVs between the options will be small.
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