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Is there a better way to play the turn?

Stacks:

Hero(UTG) 200
(CO) 214
(BTN) 555
(SB) 80

Hero(UTG) Opens 7 w/ 5353
(CO) Calls
(BTN) Calls
Villain(SB) Re-raises 16

Hero(UTG) Calls
(CO) Calls
(BTN) Calls

POT 66

FLOP 4JQ

Villain(SB) Checks
Hero(UTG) Checks
(CO) Checks
(BTN) Checks

TURN 4JQ2

Villain(SB) Bets 63 and is all in.
Hero(UTG) Raises 184??? and is all in.


Does raising the turn "clean up" some of my outs? I probably need to improve versus (SB). Does my raise on the turn fold out competing draws enough on the turn to warrant an isolation raise?

If I flat turn and river is one of my set outs, 5 or 3, I could lose to a straight. If I flat and river is an Ace, I could lose to KT. If I flat turn and river is a diamond I could lose to a higher flush. It seems that if I flat call turn I can get into a lot of sticky spots on the river by inviting callers behind me. There is also a consideration that by the river there will be a dry side pot, disincentivizing people from bluffing, however you never know with this game.

Is it worth it to risk a whole stack on the turn? Remember, everyone checked on the flop when checked to.

Or was I wrong and is it higher EV to simply call (SB)'s all in bet on the turn and hopefully invite more players to call behind me?

It's a tough spot pre because the players behing you aren't folding which dramatically reduces the value of your flushdraws, especially seeing as you will be squeezed between the 3 bettor and the field postflop. For those reason I'd fold to the squeeze.

On the turn jam is fine because you can fold out weak flushdraws plus gutters to your set outs

You have the least capped range so your shove should get respect here (at least until the cards are on their backs )

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Squeeze was size of a min raise, Czech.

Honestly I'm prob just folding turn. I think it's safer to say villain is checking AAw/ diamonds at spr 1 over a set here. Even if he's holding a set price is not quite there and if he has AAw/ diamonds you only have about 22%.

As played I like rejamming to clean up your outs. You fold out straight draws and higher flush draws for sure.

I dont know what to make of this min 3bet from SB pre but those kind of players in my experience are also the ones who check their AA with diamonds or top set on that board 4 way sometimes.
What does he suddenly shove turn with 4way, AA5x, A9tx dd, ...., you either get barely the correct price or more likely you are completely crushed. Even a hand like 8899 with diamonds, he decides to bluff now has you in bad shape.

If you are HU vs SB here I would maybe call turn, with 2 players behind its an easy fold for me. CO and BTN are supposed to check all their dry top2, bottom set etc. on the flop here 4 way and probably are calling it off on this safe turn.

That seems like a play from an outdated live no limit holdem playbook. Wait until a safe turn to pile money in. I don't see villain's ever checking top 2 pair or good combo draws here, but I could be wrong. What makes you think villains are checking here with anything good?

Its a defensible play, but i suspect it is actually not very good. The main reason is that the majority of your value handa should probably bet the flop, so what hands do villains think you have that check the flop and jam the turn over a psb.

Folding out a better flush draw (that wouldnt fold otherwise) could be a good result, but this a pretty narrow view of cleaning up outs, which often will try to increase the odds of 2p and non nut straights being good by making a pot hu. Here hero is risking more, for less of a benefit.

Yeah, villain could see this as an isolation play and call with something I'm trying to fold out.

Runouts, and equity, betting 2 pair with no backup on this flop seems bad 4 way . U get it in as a flip or behind.

I dont think shifting to safe turns is outdated in PLO.

Sorry, I came off kind of wrong. Waiting for safe turn is not bad I think but not betting with a value hand because there is a possibility that you might behind or flipping is just bad. There is a lot of money in the pot to fight for so getting it in flipping would be fine.

Grunching.

Preflop is just slightly too loose, I think. Even if we're opening it, calling the 3bet is pretty uncomfy to me, even for how small it is. (Technical jargon obv.)

...I think I fold turn?

i like how played actualy, but after reading comments here i thought to myself I might be to loose somtimess

I mean.. I do think alot of things are correct has been said here - like:

* "CO and BTN are supposed to check all their dry top2, bottom set etc" i agree with the dry top2 mostly since you are SPR3 deep (shorty is 1SPR but for me he is out of the equation for now as he X the flop first to act with SPR1 and i think he might x to GII vs1 or X\F ).
so i do think its reasonable to X there dry top 2 to see T and play action in pos if im one of the players in position.

* also been said that villian might semi-bluff with a hand better then yours- and then you are in bad shape but again, its not the first thing i take in mind)



but on the other side ; I mean I dont think 2 guys rep that much behind and its giving you a good pot odds i think to isolate agaisnt SB range .
- this board its not completly out of your range even after being X the flop in pos
so its might be in your opponents mind and gets them to fold KK or some P+
GS+lowFD mabye?
and also i think its a nice move to be able to do in the eyes of your opponents, you might get a slightly maniaci image than before - and it might will cause action to your favor later, at least where i play it would

anyway i like it

I think this is a fold pre. Your FDs are bad and you can basically only flop bottom set. In addition to that 35 doesmt make that many sets and likely there are some A's dead reducing straight options further. So best case you gii vs top2 on a dry board but will often run into a higher set. On drawy boards you flip against combo draws and in the other cases you end up in really trick spots like this one. Your hand does really bad in big pots postflop multiway. As played i sigh fold or sigh jam the turn depending on my instincts but tbh i hate both plays.