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06-11-2021 , 12:03 PM
No reads on villain. I fold in this spot basically 95% of the time The 5% I call, I always see a full house. Any thoughts on how I played the hand and whether I should call after all? My reasoning for folding: villains are super passive at this level (with some exceptions), villain probably doesn't pot a bare flush draw on the turn and he didn't hesitate one second on the river. My best guess is he did have two pair and a flush draw OTT, but what do I know ...

PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 6 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $2.48 (124 bb)
MP: $3.58 (179 bb)
CO: $6.12 (306 bb)
BU (Hero): $3.99 (200 bb)
SB: $3.55 (178 bb)
BB: $1.96 (98 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with J K T J
1 fold, MP calls $0.02, CO raises to $0.09, Hero calls $0.09, 2 players fold, MP calls $0.07

Flop: ($0.30) 6 9 K (3 players)
MP checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.30) Q (3 players)
MP bets $0.29, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.96, MP calls $0.67

River: ($2.22) K (2 players)
MP bets $2.15, BU (Hero) folds

Edit: CO is a 90/80 super whale who hardly ever 4-bets pre, so I guess a reraise is pretty much mandatory?

Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 06-11-2021 at 12:12 PM.
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06-11-2021 , 02:35 PM
It's not super clear, wether MP adopted a limping strategy in reaction to the 90/80 maniac behind him or if he's just your typical loose passive funplayer.

1) MP is tricky thinking player. He may bet/call bare JT OTT, because he's aware that you are somewhat deep. He may then turn his hand into a bluff OTR to force you off the chop. Probability of this happening? IDK, but I'd say very very low.

2) MP is typical loose passive player who overvalues many hands. He's never folding any set and always GI with any JTXX. Typically he would try to x/r a set OTF, but it got checked through. Some of these players are now c/c down, being aware of a possible straight, but a good amount are simply bet/calling regardless of runout/action. Probability of this being the case? I'd say medium to high.
=> I would call KQ,K9 and QQ maybe K6, if I happen to get here (JTK6ds??).

If I had to guess, I'd say V's most likely hand is QQ.

About preflop:
I think 3betting is best. You are deep and in position. If stacks were shallower, I'd be more inclined to flat.
Even, if you get 4bet, it's fine, since opponent has pretty much announced AA, your hand does well against it and there will be plenty of postflop play left.
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06-11-2021 , 03:27 PM
Just to add some more information, I played with MP for about an hour after this hand and he basically didn't fold a single hand before the flop. I like your analysis, but I'm not sure about the QQ part. Wouldn't he at least think about his river play if he could still easily be beat by turned Kings up? He just snap bet which is what many fun players do if they hit somehow hit the nuts on the river ... This move tilts me pretty hard, especially if I was bluffing anyway lol.

Last edited by dingdongdonkey; 06-11-2021 at 03:41 PM.
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06-11-2021 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dingdongdonkey
but I'm not sure about the QQ part. Wouldn't he at least think about his river play if he could still easily be beat by turned Kings up? He just snap bet which is what many fun players do if they hit somehow hit the nuts on the river ... This move tilts me pretty hard, especially if I was bluffing anyway lol.
We shouldn't get into the habit of narrowing V's range down to one hand. We raised the turn, V knows he has to hit a boat/straight to beat us. Him snapjamming the river, when he gets there, is just another indicator. Given the way the hand plays out, population tendencies and timing tells, I will assume that V's range is Full Houses only.

That being said: I believe MP is more likely to bet topset than two pair or a worse set. When we raise the turn, we are saying "I have JT" very loud and clear. Opponent is drawing to beat a straight, looking for the boardpair. It doesn't have to be the nuts. Additionally, we actually block K pretty well, making those hands much more unlikely.

What is maybe more important about this hand is the Tilt Question. Why does the snapjam tilt you? Are you like "omg, this idiot, plays so bad, I could have bluffed, lol zomg?" or similar. Do you feel, like you got "beaten" or a "bad play was rewarded?". Did you feel entitled to the pot, when you had this really big hand on the turn and then this guy had the audacity to snapjam his boat in your face after sucking out?

Well. There is no reason for it whatsoever. Preflop can be discussed, but it's not
a huge difference, I think. Hero played his hand well and should be happy, that he is facing Villains, who a) call potsized raises with 20% and b) telegraph their handstrength making for easy folds, reducing their implied odds to 0.
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06-14-2021 , 02:11 PM
Folded river with a straight? Why?
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06-15-2021 , 06:13 AM
You are deep against a maniac with a double suited high card hand. 3b pre is a dream. As played in theory you’re supposed to call off but vs a loose passive you can make large deviations and exploit fold. It’s hard for him to have nothing, you block all the other draws. That said I probably just call anyways.

I would raise turn to full pot
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