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PLO100 facing river full pot donk with middle strong hand PLO100 facing river full pot donk with middle strong hand

06-12-2018 , 10:38 PM
PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: $149.95 (150 bb)
CO (Hero): $135.54 (136 bb)
BU: $265.18 (265 bb)
SB: $135.15 (135 bb)
BB: $73.78 (74 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with 7 9 A 5
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 players fold, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) K 5 9 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($7.50) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.05, BB calls $6.05

River: ($19.60) A (2 players)
BB bets $18.62, Hero calls $18.62

Total pot: $56.84 (Rake: $2.50)

Showdown:
BB shows 4 9 T Q (two pair, Tens and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 42%, Flop: 37%, Turn: 73%, River: 0%)

CO (Hero) shows 7 9 A 5 (two pair, Aces and Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 58%, Flop: 63%, Turn: 28%, River: 100%)

CO (Hero) wins $54.34

another station hand... if i'm confused, i tend to call. river there's no new straight, if he has qj he would bet or raised the turn. why ship the river?
i think i'm only losing to AT or AK here... figured thats good enough?
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06-12-2018 , 11:21 PM
Probably a fold. It’s not at all unreasonable for QQJ, KQJ, etc., to go into c/c mode here on the turn and people just mostly don’t like to bluff like this.
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06-13-2018 , 10:02 AM
it is better not to post the results with the hand
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06-13-2018 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
it is better not to post the results with the hand
yeah, i thought upswing removes them automatically. next time!
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06-13-2018 , 11:52 AM
I think flop is a bet too - it hits your range more than his.
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06-13-2018 , 11:55 AM
I didn't see results obv. Normally its bad to be results oriented but if you're bluff catching and your opponent's bluffing range turns out to be super wide, you probably don't need to go into analysis mode.
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06-13-2018 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I think flop is a bet too - it hits your range more than his.
i thought about that. would you full pot it?
i figured i'd would have to (because if i bet smaller, i get raised more often and dont think i can call) but if i get called i'll face a tough decision on non flush draw card, (half the deck) and even worse on 678QJT. wouldnt know what to do on a K either, so only good cards would be A234 5 and 9, while those could also be dangerous if theres action.


so yeah... simply put i didnt feel confident i can double barrel enough so i wanted to check.

what would you have done about the difficult turn cards?
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06-13-2018 , 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by djevans
I think flop is a bet too - it hits your range more than his.
I like a flop bet. Our hand is likely best, but vulnerable, and we have no problem folding to a c/r. I'd be much more inclined to check the turn than the flop, as on the turn I have a hand that must see the river.
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06-15-2018 , 05:08 AM
Yeah flop is definetly a bet.
On this particular board texture I guess I would basically cbet any 4 cards in a two way pot in position to put pressure on basically all of his hands.
In addition to your made hand you can still draw to the nuts on the turn (which is the case in this hand)- so definetly betting the flop.
Guess I would bet a 40-60% pot size range to make it possible to cbet really wide in this spot.

As played on the turn I still agree with betting- now we are drawing to the nuts and I can find some weaker hands calling us however I do not like the sizing.
I am not sure what this sizing tries to accomplish- the problem is he will jam some stronger hand for sure and we will be in a taff calculation spot regarding pot odds.
1/2 pot sizing seems better to me- having implied odds I could still see myself calling if he decides to raise.

River is tricky I guess- but without any reads I am probably folding as especially weaker players unlikely bluff these type of big sizings.
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06-15-2018 , 05:14 AM
Nh
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06-15-2018 , 05:42 AM
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Originally Posted by benzema1995
Yeah flop is definetly a bet.
On this particular board texture I guess I would basically cbet any 4 cards in a two way pot in position to put pressure on basically all of his hands.
In addition to your made hand you can still draw to the nuts on the turn (which is the case in this hand)- so definetly betting the flop.
Guess I would bet a 40-60% pot size range to make it possible to cbet really wide in this spot.

As played on the turn I still agree with betting- now we are drawing to the nuts and I can find some weaker hands calling us however I do not like the sizing.
I am not sure what this sizing tries to accomplish- the problem is he will jam some stronger hand for sure and we will be in a taff calculation spot regarding pot odds.
1/2 pot sizing seems better to me- having implied odds I could still see myself calling if he decides to raise.

River is tricky I guess- but without any reads I am probably folding as especially weaker players unlikely bluff these type of big sizings.
I disagree with all of this
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06-15-2018 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by organdonor4cash
i thought about that. would you full pot it?
i figured i'd would have to (because if i bet smaller, i get raised more often and dont think i can call) but if i get called i'll face a tough decision on non flush draw card, (half the deck) and even worse on 678QJT. wouldnt know what to do on a K either, so only good cards would be A234 5 and 9, while those could also be dangerous if theres action.


so yeah... simply put i didnt feel confident i can double barrel enough so i wanted to check.

what would you have done about the difficult turn cards?
No I wouldn't full pot it - but would half pot bet it. While K and Q can hit the callers range a lot - I think this one is fine to bet as we have bottom 2 pair, back door flush draw and don't mind calling a raise if he does raise the flop and check/call on good turn cards. At first I said it hits our range more than his and I probably disagree as it can hit both ranges. River is generally a fold but vs this guy I wouldn't fold too many hands as it looks like he is pretty bad and is just clicking buttons.

Turn is a check - it would be a disaster if you got check raised.
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06-17-2018 , 08:13 AM
Interesting bluff catch. V misses his flush and bets blocker (Q).
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