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PLO100 3bet pot deep against maniac sizing on river PLO100 3bet pot deep against maniac sizing on river

06-17-2018 , 07:02 PM
PokerStars, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 6 players
Hand delivered by Upswing Poker

UTG: $99.50 (100 bb)
MP: $46.19 (46 bb)
CO (Hero): $188.90 (189 bb)
BU: $78.10 (78 bb)
SB: $198.18 (198 bb)
BB: $227.26 (227 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero is CO with T Q 6 9
2 players fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB 3-bets to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.50

Flop: ($15) J 8 4 (2 players)
SB bets $10.50, Hero calls $10.50

Turn: ($36) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $34.20, SB calls $34.20

River: ($104.40) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $101.90, [...]


reads: he is very active, like 38vpip, 30 pfr with 13 3bet over 500 hands (which is quite impressive)

postflop he is also fairly aggressive, one of the few people who actually bluff and put pressure on.

i'm fairly sure he wouldn't ship the flop if i raise, 190 bb deep, with anything less than the same hand or a set.

like i dont think I can ever induce a bluff on this flop texture. he's a maniac but he's not insane.


as for the rest of the hand, turn is super standard, pot and hope he wants to ship it.

river... well... if he backed into the nut flush, good luck. Intend calling it off (another 35 or so)

would it be a better line to bet 50 to induce a bare ace shove?
or bet 50 but with the intent on folding if he shoves? what are we thinking?

or bet even smaller to get a call from bare aces. like 37.82 or something silly...
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06-17-2018 , 08:40 PM
Not raising flop is really bad. I'm not sure why you are talking about inducing bluffs - we are raising flop because we have plenty of equity vs almost anything but at the same time aren't crushing anything and thus want to deny equity against these hands.

Jxxx, overpairs and even 2 pairs with no additional equity are hating life against a raise when we are fairly deep so putting these hands to the test is a must with this hand else they just have super easy decisions facing a raise otherwise.
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06-17-2018 , 09:20 PM
I hear you, but all those hands will fold, surely.

only hand in there that could possibly continue would be J8. J4 surely folds unless it's J4T9

I understand that them folding their equity means we show profit, but i figured there are basically no bad turn cards (Ace, 4, King maybe) so why raise already.

i was planning on raising tons of turn. any heart, any club, obviously any straight, any 2,3,5,6,j,8. that should be around 75% of all turns?

this allows him to possibly bet again with his bluffs (i.e. overplayed weak value hands like AJ, AA)
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06-18-2018 , 05:36 AM
If he is a maniac I would go for a 1/3 bet on the river to induce. Maniacs fall for that quite often.
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06-18-2018 , 05:43 AM
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reads: he is very active, like 38vpip, 30 pfr with 13 3bet over 500 hands (which is quite impressive)
That's a reg, not a maniac. Just calling flop is fine, these guys like to barrel a lot so there is a good chance you win a bet or two if you hit.
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06-18-2018 , 06:27 AM
If he's folding all of those hands to a flop raise he is going to be very exploitable (assuming you raise a smaller sizing which is what you should be doing on this board texture)

You can just raise here to $30 with an up and down SD and be printing money. With this hand you can raise and then barrel a lot of turn cards which is a much better line in general than raising a turn barrel that is now going to be a stronger range anyway.

If you aren't raising this hand on the flop it's hard to see how you can have any raising range. You have to flat sets and 2 pair otherwise you are going to get villain to snap fold his J4 and bare J8 hands that shouldn't be folding to a raise.
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06-18-2018 , 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
That's a reg, not a maniac. Just calling flop is fine, these guys like to barrel a lot so there is a good chance you win a bet or two if you hit.
interesting! my biggest winner in these stakes in db plays 26/15/6, borderline lag would be 35/23/10. anything more than that, especially the incredibly high 3bet rate, gets you my maniac colour. not saying he's bad, just really aggressive.

sample size could be an issue, but 500 should be good indicator of what we're dealing with here.

thought as well that he at least fire off another barrel.
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06-18-2018 , 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
If he's folding all of those hands to a flop raise he is going to be very exploitable (assuming you raise a smaller sizing which is what you should be doing on this board texture)

You can just raise here to $30 with an up and down SD and be printing money. With this hand you can raise and then barrel a lot of turn cards which is a much better line in general than raising a turn barrel that is now going to be a stronger range anyway.

If you aren't raising this hand on the flop it's hard to see how you can have any raising range. You have to flat sets and 2 pair otherwise you are going to get villain to snap fold his J4 and bare J8 hands that shouldn't be folding to a raise.

mhh... thats great input, thank you for that!
thinking about it, I would raise 2pair,, bottom set, most jacks, and some weakish pair+straightdraw sort of things. and some blockers like TTK6 if they have any sort of backdoor.

my strong made hands (top two, 88,jj) i'd all flat as well as good draws (like this one)

i'm more worried about what i should fold! like what about KQT7?
is that a raise or a call/re-evaluate turn?

what about a pure gutshot?
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06-18-2018 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
That's sample size.
fyp
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