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PLO10 Zoom, River: Bet or Check 3rd Nuts on AJ2AJ? PLO10 Zoom, River: Bet or Check 3rd Nuts on AJ2AJ?

03-16-2018 , 09:39 AM
    Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932423

    BTN: $30.55 (305.5 bb)
    SB: $9.68 (96.8 bb)
    Hero (BB): $18.07 (180.7 bb)
    UTG: $23.60 (236 bb)
    MP: $14.15 (141.5 bb)
    CO: $12.33 (123.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 A 8 2
    UTG folds, MP raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.20

    Flop: ($0.95) A J 2 (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

    No need to donk it, no need to raise it. Folding would feel very weak, raising is burning money, so I call.

    Turn: ($2.45) A (3 players)
    Hero checks, MP bets $1.30, CO calls $1.30, Hero calls $1.30

    BOOM! Now I have the second nuts! So I check-call the half-pot bet. Maybe it is too passive and I should check-raise instead? However, in this spot I am either way ahead or drawing dead, so I feel some pot control is in order since I am not convinced that villain(s) will stack off with non-boats here.

    River: ($6.35) J (3 players)
    Hero checks,

    And this I feel is the pivotal part of the hand. With the second jack on board, it reduces the probability of being up against AJ. So I am beat only by AJ and JJ - and this type of double paired board will make it harder to fold AKxx type of hands. On the other hand, having checked two streets and then suddenly betting the second J, it looks a bit as if I am full of **** - like I am supposed to have JJ or what? And I would hate getting raised here.

    Not sure what the best course of action is though, until the river I feel the hand plays itself though.




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    03-16-2018 , 11:01 AM
    If he has a diamond draw, he's folding to a river bet.

    If he has an A, he's probably still betting the river.

    If he has a J, this gives him the option to bet the river.

    If he has nothing, he has the option to bluff.


    In this type of spot, I try to think about what the villain can call with, and what he would bet the river with.

    I prefer a check in this position, because there are so many hands that he could want to bet the river with that I am beating, that he may not want to call a raise, I also don't want to face a reraise on the river, because then i feel like I'm calling to show down a losing hand.

    Given the passive manner in which you played the hand, i don't want my opponent to think I suddenly hit something on the river and scare him out of a bet. I'm checking with the intention of calling any bet. You could even throw in some check raises, because it will look like you came out of nowhere and he may not believe it and call with Jxxx or Axxx. The odd times you run into AJ or JJ, oh well, thats omaha.
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    03-16-2018 , 11:28 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by DingusEgg
    If he has a diamond draw, he's folding to a river bet.

    If he has an A, he's probably still betting the river.

    If he has a J, this gives him the option to bet the river.

    If he has nothing, he has the option to bluff.
    Who is he?There are 2 villains in the hand.I would not say any of these 2 opponent would bet just an Ace against 2 players who called 2 streets.

    If anyone has a J,again it would be really absurd to bet that into 2 players.

    Third option that someone is triple barreling with air against 2 players is

    most unlikely.I think betting here in order to get value from AKxx is good,

    and if you get raised you can be pretty confident you are behind.
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    03-16-2018 , 01:45 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Purasevic
    Who is he?There are 2 villains in the hand.
    Misread hand, thought MP was only player left.


    If you truly feel that MP has AKxx, I would look to check raise them. AKxx is not checking this river given the action in this hand, pretty much ever. Both opponents look super weak, AKxx will want to get value.

    You could argue that Axxx might check river, so a bet would be in line to get value from them, but once again, both opponents look like they're chasing, so I doubt someone with an A or even a J for that matter, would be able to resist betting something to try and get value on river.

    Checking actually gives CO the opportunity to bet, if he was chasing something or has a J and MP decides to check.
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    03-17-2018 , 05:36 AM
    Thanks for the replies. I was thinking along the same lines. Was kind of surprised that river went check-check since one of them had AKxx and the other Jxxx so wanted a line check.
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    03-17-2018 , 12:55 PM
    yeah I like leading a smaller size
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    03-18-2018 , 12:35 AM
    Weird action makes this a cool spot. Normally it's quite odd to lead into a player on a non-texture shift (such a board pair on an already paired board), but having a leading range is justified by MP having the weakest river range here: in addition to his boats he has Ax protection bets and semibluffs, but CO called with one player behind and Hero called after a bet and a call, signalling more top-heavy ranges.
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    04-05-2018 , 11:41 PM
    do you have a c/r range on this turn?
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