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08-30-2018 , 04:05 AM
[b]Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6

BTN: 118.3 BB (VPIP: 21.21, PFR: 13.85, 3Bet Preflop: 1.27, Hands: 240)
SB: 212.8 BB (VPIP: 82.54, PFR: 15.87, 3Bet Preflop: 3.45, Hands: 64)
BB: 97.5 BB (VPIP: 20.93, PFR: 4.65, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 133)
UTG: 229.2 BB (VPIP: 29.13, PFR: 12.38, 3Bet Preflop: 2.52, Hands: 421)
MP: 95.8 BB (VPIP: 46.27, PFR: 1.49, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 68)
Hero (CO): 164 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A Q 9 5

fold, MP calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4.5 BB, fold, SB calls 4 BB, fold, MP calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (14.5 BB, 3 players) 3 Q J
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 6.9 BB, SB calls 6.9 BB, fold

Turn: (28.3 BB, 2 players) A
SB bets 26.9 BB, Hero calls 26.9 BB

River: (82.1 BB, 2 players) J
SB checks, Hero bets 58.5 BB, SB raises to 174.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 67.2 BB and is all-in

SB shows K J 2 A (Full House, Jacks full of Aces)
(Pre 50%, Flop 40%, Turn 20%)
Hero shows A Q 9 5 (Flush, Ace High)
(Pre 50%, Flop 60%, Turn 80%)
SB wins 316.9 BB

2.4 BB was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.

On the flop I was thinking KT he calls the CBet, and he hits his straight on the turn and bets out (something this player had done many times in the past). Did i make a mistake calling the turn with two pair and a flush draw? Over the course of the session, I had noticed he was playing very overly aggressive with little thought to board texture. When the river comes and pairs the board I should have checked back instead of opening the betting back up, that was a mistake. But should I have assumed he had a boat?
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08-30-2018 , 05:36 AM
OTR you should check behind. You have to think about what worse should call you? T high flush? Flop is for me also a check behind. Turn call as played is ok I guess.
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08-30-2018 , 05:47 AM
You can actually save the last 67 bbs.
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09-01-2018 , 10:17 AM
Too thin value bet on river.
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09-01-2018 , 04:08 PM
is this always an open in the CO? it's not very connected
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09-01-2018 , 06:18 PM
We're not opening. MP already opened, with a limp. We're making an iso raise, and yes, one that is probably too ambitious.
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09-06-2018 , 10:42 AM
Advice in this thread is so bad... pf is a clear open.

River bet is not too thin given villains action (x/c flop then pot turn - he shouldn't have many sets/2 pairs with this line) and the fact we block the A + Q FH. Sizing however is probably too big given what hands we're targeting for a call.
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09-06-2018 , 03:35 PM
It is certainly a standard open.

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09-06-2018 , 08:07 PM
It is impossible for us to open, MP has already open limped. Opening means you are the first person to choose to put money into the pot.
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09-07-2018 , 10:59 AM
Calling turn is ok,and u should bet this river,but u should fold to check shove otr,there 2 reasons:
1) at this limit u will never see a bluff by check pushing river
2)villain stats indicates that he passive moron,that raising only strong hands!
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09-07-2018 , 11:52 AM
River bet is a bit too thin. KT no spades folds and KT with spades beats you. Calling the c/r is burning money, this is a bluff around 0% of the time.

EDIT: I'd like the river bet with a smaller sizing to actually get called by things that you beat
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09-07-2018 , 01:32 PM
Pre - Open in CO, 3bet BU vs CO, and definitely raise vs MP limp.
Turn - Calling turn looks mandatory.
River - we should be betting this close to 100%. Figure out the bluffs you have here and then work out your sizing.
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09-07-2018 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
It is impossible for us to open, MP has already open limped. Opening means you are the first person to choose to put money into the pot.
I think you're just arguing semantics. What would you call it then
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09-07-2018 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by preki
I think you're just arguing semantics. What would you call it then
As I already said in a previous post, this is an iso raise.
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09-07-2018 , 09:23 PM
Honestly think it’s wp. Villain’s stats are too loose and his line is too KT heavy to not value-bet river here. Facing raise sucks and is close, but given the over-aggro read and fact that he has a random Ks so often (both from looking so KTish and having a loose preflop range) that I think we can look him up here.

All streets are pretty close though.
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09-08-2018 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Honestly think it’s wp. Villain’s stats are too loose and his line is too KT heavy to not value-bet river here. Facing raise sucks and is close, but given the over-aggro read and fact that he has a random Ks so often (both from looking so KTish and having a loose preflop range) that I think we can look him up here.

All streets are pretty close though.
you think it's close on the river? have you ever played the micros?
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09-08-2018 , 05:24 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
As I already said in a previous post, this is an iso raise.
Should probably learn what hands you should be opening with rather than focusing on what the correct terminology is for an open after a limp.
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09-08-2018 , 05:32 AM
You can't open after a limp.
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09-09-2018 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by preki
you think it's close on the river? have you ever played the micros?
Have you played 82 VPIP players who are "very overly aggressive with little thought to board texture" when you need 20%?
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09-10-2018 , 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Have you played 82 VPIP players who are "very overly aggressive with little thought to board texture" when you need 20%?
He may have been 82 VPIP but where did you get he was overly aggressive from? His pf-raise was only 16 which is very loose passive for someone who's VPIP is 82 and his 3b is only 3.5.

I kind of expect to see a FH almost always when a player with those stats x/shove river on me here
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09-10-2018 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by F_Ivanovic
where did you get he was overly aggressive from?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nic_adams98
On the flop I was thinking KT he calls the CBet, and he hits his straight on the turn and bets out (something this player had done many times in the past). Did i make a mistake calling the turn with two pair and a flush draw? Over the course of the session, I had noticed he was playing very overly aggressive with little thought to board texture. When the river comes and pairs the board I should have checked back instead of opening the betting back up, that was a mistake. But should I have assumed he had a boat?
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09-10-2018 , 07:39 PM
I missed that, but his VPIP doesn't indicate that - pretty weird for someone to be so loose and passive pre but then super aggro post - OP probably just means he over-values hands/draws - but x/r river here is just hard to imagine a worse value hand or a bluff even from a very bad player that over-values stuff.

btw, I don't think it's a clear fold and 20% is very tempting when we hold 2 blockers but I honestly think we're only good here 10% of the time.
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09-18-2018 , 07:41 AM
The bet is too big on the river imo and the c/r is almost always a boat
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09-18-2018 , 07:58 AM
check flop
bet river, fold to shove.
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09-19-2018 , 07:24 AM
River bet is way too thin. We have so many better hands here (QQxx, AAxx, AJxx, etc) that this hand is way too weak to consider betting.

As played, when we're raised here, the only hand that might consider bluff-raising would be, like AQxx and we heavily block that hand. Gotta find the fold.
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