Mainly posting because of preflop decision? Is this a call for you against a reasonable UTG opening Range? Pretty sure checkback Flop is the best option. What about turn? Raising seems fine, but i can also get behind calling, because i think his range is weak, because hes betting so small.
What do you all think?


Thanks in advance


On a sidenote: Can someone explain to me how to post from HM2 to 2+2 WITH Stats? I tried the "Copy with Stats"-function, but directly posting it in the text box as well as using the 2+2 Hand History Converter doesnt work for me.

no

Yes. We have position. Position rules.

And also:
Hand Equity
10% 58.01%
AcKdTd8d 41.99%

Looks decent enough to me.

hey OP!

i think this call it cutting it pretty close, especially with the blinds behind you and because MP is shallow

since you arent blocking any hearts/sets i think it was a good idea to rip it in on the turn and protect/clear up some EQ (and it worked, not to be results oriented)

against a reasonable UTG range i believe this is a fold according to the solvers

nice hand

While i was playing i didnt realize he was that short. In general i should fold more the shorter someone is, right? But i also think i should coldcall/3bet more highcard-heavy hands such as the one i had the shorter someone is. Also BB was loose-passive if i remember correctly, so thats one argument more for calling here.

Can someone elaborate on the adaptations needed for playing against shorter stacks?

Your exactly right. Against shorter stacks you wantt to play wayyy tighter, and focus on hands with raw equity (high cardedness) rather than playability.

shorstacked, position becomes slightly less important because spr is so low by the flop and there is less IP can do to make OOP indifferent, this is part of the beauty of playing short: with the SPR so low OOP can realize his equity extremely effectively

deepstacked the distribution of boards that are favorable to one players range vs another is condensed (more boards where ranges are like 48:52% equity), if you cna imagine a bell curve that represents all boards and their favorability to one players range vs another the curve would swell in the middle, most boards neither player has a significant advantage

whereas at 30-50bb effective, players arrive at the flop with much tighter ranges, and the bell curve is much flatter, with most boards favoring one players range in a major way (40:60% etc)

having 3 of a suit and the 8 dangler may make this a fold against MP according to the solvers. it is amazing just how tight the latest generation of solvers tell us to play, especially short. personally i would reluctantly fold this hand

Pre does better as a raise or fold.

Easy fold pre. Its barely even a steal let alone a call

Omaha Hi Hand Ranking (unweighted) ?
Rankings for AcKdTd8d
Ranking Description Average Best Worst
10H 10-handed iterative (default) 13.0 13.0 13.0
3H 3-handed iterative 15.0 15.0 15.0
6H 6-handed iterative 14.0 14.0 14.0
VR vs. random hand 17.0 17.0 17.0

Raw equity is probably the smallest factor when evaluating a call or not, if it's a factor at all.

This is a great example of a pretty hand that we just need to fold especially against a short stacked player

Why are you saying this doordonot? Against a player this short raw equity is a major factor, we do not get to leverage our position IP with super playable hands across multiple streets. The whole nature of shortstacjed play is based around the raw potential of our hand on early streets

thanks for your in-depth explanation!

The fact in itself that 6 People in this thread have like 6 different opinions about it tells me its not. To say that this hand is "barely even a steal" is ridicolous.

@everyone:

I can get behind folding this vs an UTG open, esp. because hes short. But how much impact has the fact that we have a loose-passive player in the BB? I lean more towards a call because of this.

Raw equity doesnt matter as much in PLO because raw equities run close together. Youd be hard pressed to find hands that wouldn't be a mathematically correct call preflop. That doesnt mean we should play them all. This hand is marginal even with an A high suit. It has some top heavy factors and a K high suit but its not super connected and has an 8. It's pretty much crap that can be folded 100% of the time without worrying about it, especially at the high rake environment that is NL10.

Seriously anyone struggling with the micro limits just tighten up, and then when you think you are too tight tighten up some more. Getting yourself into what very well may be marginally +ev spots with marginally +ev hands are just going to shred your winrate. It might seem counterintuitive but it's the truth.

this is good advice

i disagree about EQ. yes equities runs close, but it matters a lot

Easy fold pre.

There are software out there to tell you with a high degree of certainty. Don’t read a wall of text of bad advice.

+1

I fold this versus this stack size.. when we hit I think it’s very easy to play and extract value. I think the main crime in calling pre and then getting there on the turn is your failiure to extract any value from your hand. We can call turn or raise smaller and play the river easily..