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03-05-2018 , 09:23 AM

Lupoattila

stranger

Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 3

hey guys ,

wanted to ask about the postflop game !
what would be standard game / GTO !
on this rainbow board would you have checked back , or kind of bet small and just call the raise on the flop ?
or do you think my reraise was fine ?

thanks !

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #37932105

Hero (BTN): $60.55 (121.1 bb)
SB: $31.07 (62.1 bb)
BB: $23.52 (47 bb)
UTG: $40.50 (81 bb)
MP: $146.59 (293.2 bb)
CO: $46.18 (92.4 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 8

UTG calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $2.25, SB calls $2, BB folds, UTG calls $1.75

Flop: ($7.25) A

(3 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $4.50, SB folds, UTG raises to $12.45, Hero raises to $44.24, UTG calls $25.80 and is all-in

Turn: ($83.75) 3

(2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($83.75) 6

(2 players, 1 is all-in)

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03-05-2018 , 10:04 PM

poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

Fold pre and bet smaller on the flop.

As played flat him on the flop to keep bluffs in his range. Anything that calls your shove over the top isn't going away on the turn.

You're calling your stack off here pretty much always anyways but IP, might as well let him keep firing if he's a spaz.

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03-06-2018 , 04:22 AM

md46135

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 420

I would say pre is close. for the rest I agree with ^^

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03-06-2018 , 11:34 AM

Purasevic

adept

Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 768

Pre is clear fold imo.Agree rest with poloplaya.Would prefer 1/4pot on the flop.

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03-06-2018 , 11:58 AM

z0mgtiltz

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 10,944

Fold pre would be GTO !

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03-06-2018 , 02:14 PM

NMcNasty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

Assuming the mid stackers in the blinds are fish it’s just an easy call pre on the button.

Flop sizing is fine, there’s tons of value here vs worse aces that just auto check/call down three streets. It’s close but probably a fold to the raise which is super far from gto play but imo best vs passive limping fish. There are no bluffs to keep in his range. You just don’t have the outs vs a boat. If you had a 6 instead of a 3 it’s a completely different hand of course.

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03-06-2018 , 02:56 PM

poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

There are no bluffs to keep in his range.

If you don't think players have random bluffs here some of the time, you're wrong.

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03-06-2018 , 04:54 PM

NMcNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

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Originally Posted by poloplaya1414

If you don't think players have random bluffs here some of the time, you're wrong.

There no draws on board except maybe 234, which we even have a blocker for, and its an unknown, limping, midstack player at PLO50 who is checkraising us in a spot where no one is ever expected to fold an ace. Only thing that makes this hand close is that some villains are unaware random AJ-AQ aren't so great.

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03-06-2018 , 05:59 PM

poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by NMcNasty

This is a super dry board, we're opening from the BTN with a pretty wide range. We're going to be cbetting with air a lot of the time. This is a pretty good c/r bluff spot.

And against randoms at these stakes (or any stakes frankly unless we know villain is a good reg), there's always at least some small % chance of a bad player spazz bluffing just because.

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03-06-2018 , 08:07 PM

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NMcNasty

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Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,990

You’re trapped in circular logic if you think it’s fundamentally good to c/r bluff people on flops that are good for their range.

Doesn’t really matter though, we just disagree on how much unknown limpers randomly bluff here.

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03-07-2018 , 03:35 AM

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SolarAU

old hand

Join Date: Apr 2015 Posts: 1,795

I don't think the very small chance a player spaz bluffs this board with air is enough to justify changing our decision.

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03-07-2018 , 07:35 AM

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MartinK1979

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,576

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Originally Posted by z0mgtiltz

Fold pre would be GTO !

This

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03-07-2018 , 12:12 PM

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poloplaya1414

old hand

Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,972

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

I don't think the very small chance a player spaz bluffs this board with air is enough to justify changing our decision.

If villain has something he's willing to stack off with, flatting vs. shoving over the top makes 0 difference.

It's the other cases that should influence our decision.

Even if he's bluffing only .00001% of the time, if flatting vs. shoving is neutral EV the other 99.9999% of the time, we should optimize towards what's best for the other .00001% of the time.

I've yet to see a good argument for shoving over flatting.

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03-07-2018 , 03:29 PM

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MartinK1979

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Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 3,576

Looking at the stacksize, I am going broke here all day long and shove on the flop with at least 30% equity...
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03-07-2018 , 04:22 PM

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PLO_Donki

newbie

Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 18

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Originally Posted by MartinK1979

Looking at the stacksize, I am going broke here all day long and shove on the flop with at least 30% equity...
/Thread

Mr. Instinct prolly had a winning session and came here to close some threads with his newly boosted self-confidence.

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