Live 1-2 PLO with a $5 bring in. I'm sitting on ~$450 on the button.

Villain 1 is fishy, but has been getting lucky and accumulating a stack. My impression is he's played NL and hasn't fully transitioned hand values to PLO.
An earlier hand, he made a huge pot bet on the river with a flush when the river card paired. He's been losing with mediocre holdings that he shouldn't have been betting. But, he's been lucky and hitting some huge hands and throwing people off. He's sitting on probably about $800

Villain 2 is solid PLO player from my perspective, hasn't made any major mistakes that I've seen. He also has roughly $800

UTG calls, Villain 1 raises to $20, Villain 2 calls, another caller, then I call with tt97hh. UTG folds.

Flop is KhTd3d

Villain 1 bets $50. Villain 2 pretty quickly pots it for ~200. It folds to me.

My turn???
Villain 1 could have anything (except middle set) he could have a naked non diamond draw, he could have ace king, two pair, nut diamonds, top set, I mean anything. I'll take my chances if it's just him and get it all in.

Villain 2 on the other hand obviously wanted to isolate and would have had something strong, but can I really fold middle set here? Do I just call and see the turn, or get it all in? I figured villain 2 had at least a combo draw or bottom set, but very likely top set.

Thanks for the advice!

-d

Since you block k10 and it was raised pre it’s hard to imagine V2 on anything other than KK or a huge combo draw. Not too many 33 in his range if he’s “solid”. We are hardly better than a flip vs OES+FSD and obviously nearly dead to KK. V1 is going to stick it in with any AA or flush draw here. I’d fold and feel pretty good about it, but I’d expect to get a lot of disagreement here about it.

Probably a fold pre. TBH ... playing this for 10bb 4-7 ppl multiway sucks (almost never the nuts at any point), getting 3bet by the blinds or UTG sucks, 3betting ourself is almost certainly bad because nobody will fold.
Of course lots of people will play any random pair for set value at 1/2, and it looks good those few times you don't have to fold and have the best hand. I mean we have position the T97 for some straight draws and occasionally our flush will be good, but it's probably not enough.

On flop if V2 was isolating just V1 (like AdKQ*d), he'd do it preflop. Much higher chance he thinks he's crushing V1/anyone and wants to put his 400bb in the pot. It feels nitty, but that's why it sucks pre.

Okay, so it sounds like my flop fold wasn't terrible.

For what it's worth, I tanked and folded. Villain 1 goes all in, villain 2 calls.

Turn and rivers are both bricks. Villain 1 shows KTxx, villain 2 folds

So yeah, I would have won there, but it sounds like over all, it's a good fold.

My guess is villain 2 had nut flush draw and probably something else but missed.

-d

Was it really KTxx where the xx were meaningless? At that point I'd snap relabel V2 as fishy as V1, and wonder what made me think otherwise. But even KQJT (without diamonds) doesn't seem like a good raise.

I was at the opposite end of the table and saw the KT, I don't recall the other two and it was taken in fairly quick. I don't think it was too relevant to the hand. If it was pretty relevant like a straight and/or flush draw, I would have remembered. And after the hand, I did give an internal relabel to villain 2.

The rest of the session, I didn't really have much action with either and eventually Villain 1 busted out (unfortunately I didn't get his chips) and Villain 2 got up and left with a decent stack.

-d

I believe illiterat was not just referring to the relevance to the hand, but the overall relevance to the KT part of the hand.

If you consider V2 a solid player, but he pot bets a bare KTxx that not only has no redraws to the board, but also to his xx side cards, then he is not a solid player.

ie. KT62 or KTxx without any suits and garbage xx cards.

Most solid players are not calling KT in their hand, without some sort of connectedness or suited nature to the overall hand.

Since you didn't notice, irrelevant now, but something to consider for future games. Paying attention to the overall construction of the cards your opponents call, raise and play from various positions, will help you determine their overall playing style, instead of just the few that go to showdown with you still in the hand.