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06-24-2019 , 01:52 AM
Can anyone recommend a plo book to learn strategy? For regular PLO, not high-low.
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06-24-2019 , 07:35 AM
PLO seems to need no strategy; any average NLH player can start at Stars' PLO25 or 50 and win 20+ bb/100 over a run like 20k hands.

But if you insist, the Hwang books (you can skip the 1st book as it is not for 6-max online) for post-flop play mostly but not only, and the Mastering PLO book later as it adds some. The 2+2 PLO book would be after those as it doesn't teach you anything worth knowing when you are still a new player.

It is not all ready-made like it mostly is at NLH and when it is, you don't necessarily opt that way. PLO, later, is still mostly about understanding PLO, and that lack of solved game has its good and bad sides; the good is the originality and the bad is that it takes time to learn.
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06-24-2019 , 04:19 PM
Start with PLO from Scratch at http://en.donkr.com/Articles/plo-fro...h---part-1-186

It's free and there are 14 parts. I also would recommend Hwang's books and Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha.
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06-29-2019 , 01:13 PM
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PLO seems to need no strategy; any average NLH player can start at Stars' PLO25 or 50 and win 20+ bb/100 over a run like 20k hands.

But if you insist, the Hwang books (you can skip the 1st book as it is not for 6-max online) for post-flop play mostly but not only, and the Mastering PLO book later as it adds some. The 2+2 PLO book would be after those as it doesn't teach you anything worth knowing when you are still a new player.

It is not all ready-made like it mostly is at NLH and when it is, you don't necessarily opt that way. PLO, later, is still mostly about understanding PLO, and that lack of solved game has its good and bad sides; the good is the originality and the bad is that it takes time to learn.
I don't understand what this person is saying and, at risk of being rude, I suggest you ignore it.

Hwang is going to do you more harm than good, honestly. I read his first two books and the only good thing I have to say about them is that his explanation of preflop strategy is reasonable. My memory of his postflop ideas is that they're actually pretty bad. (I also found his second book to be just super bloated with uninteresting example hands, but that's a relatively minor editorial complaint.)

I think 2p2's PLO book is super underrated, though: "Pot-Limit Omaha: Understanding Winning Play" by Jockusch.
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06-29-2019 , 05:22 PM
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I think 2p2's PLO book is super underrated, though: "Pot-Limit Omaha: Understanding Winning Play" by Jockusch.
Usually, I've liked the 2p2's books, but not this one. I was very disappointed in it.

In the examples section, there are 23 pages on short stack play (20bb), 37 pages on medium stack play (40-60bb), and only 7 pages of example of play at 100bb. Yes that's correct, ONLY seven pages. The theory section is not great compared to other books. This is one book in my library that I rarely, if ever, use for study.

If you are playing micro to small stakes online, to be a winning player you must play very well at 100bb and deeper. Most of Jockusch's examples are playing $1/$2 to $50/$100 with small stacks.

"Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: the modern aggressive approach" by Herbert Okoowitz and Wladimir Taschner, in my opinion, is a much better book. The examples are categorized into Limped Pots, Single-Raised Pots, Three-Bet Pots, and Four-Bet Pots. The stack sizes are typically 100bb+. These examples relate better to what you will face when playing. The theory section also better at describing hand strength, when to 3-bet, call a 3-bet etc.
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06-29-2019 , 07:34 PM
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"Mastering Pot-Limit Omaha: the modern aggressive approach" by Herbert Okoowitz and Wladimir Taschner, in my opinion, is a much better book. The examples are categorized into Limped Pots, Single-Raised Pots, Three-Bet Pots, and Four-Bet Pots. The stack sizes are typically 100bb+. These examples relate better to what you will face when playing. The theory section also better at describing hand strength, when to 3-bet, call a 3-bet etc.
+1 for this book. It's great but very math intensive at points so be prepared for that.

Easiest thing for a beginner to get into will always going to be the PLO From Scratch series mentioned above and maybe some good plo videos from RIO mixed in.
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06-30-2019 , 01:59 PM
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I don't understand what this person is saying and, at risk of being rude, I suggest you ignore it.

Hwang is going to do you more harm than good, honestly. I read his first two books and the only good thing I have to say about them is that his explanation of preflop strategy is reasonable. My memory of his postflop ideas is that they're actually pretty bad. (I also found his second book to be just super bloated with uninteresting example hands, but that's a relatively minor editorial complaint.)

I think 2p2's PLO book is super underrated, though: "Pot-Limit Omaha: Understanding Winning Play" by Jockusch.
I do agree with you not getting it, as first I started with an inside joke (a post a bit earlier elsewhere) and ended it with an advanced view.

The Hwang books (I have read them all years ago) have its place especially when it comes to the post-flop strategy. Its preflop strategy is inferior to the current GTO infos, especially if adjusted well, but it was top at that time and still has views to offer.

Not understanding Hwang's post-flop strategy, it is more or less your problem and you haven't read all of that series and there are the tables for what's okay to go all in with post-flop based on math that's something you should be happy to understand, and whatever you get to understand of the post-flop play after the flop also is of primary value for a new player's post-flop strategy even if it is probably easier to start with the Mastering book's first part as it is for beginners; the latter half is for advanced players and it is tough to get useful stuff out of it, but at least it is math based.

The Hwang is not all math based and there are a ton of hand examples that are based on opinion and much will depend on how much you get out of them.

Building an advanced strategy for post-flop play is pretty tough w/o getting the bases to build on.
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07-07-2019 , 12:23 AM
Hwang is still solid material. Much of PLOFS is foundationed upon Hwang's work (the author is fairly explicit about this & is evident throughout). Yeah Hwang is far from the final word on stuff like bet sizing, open limping, etc. But his material on starting hand logic & postflop planning is invaluable (but yeah, his second book has a ton of hand examples that feel a little like bloatware @ times, but are still overall instructive/reinforcing). Beyond that, studying the 2+2 Digests are like a book in and of themselves, and studying/commenting on HH will keep your thinking process up to date.

Can't speak to MPLO, but plan to check it out.
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07-07-2019 , 08:03 AM
i mean how can you not trust this man...

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07-07-2019 , 01:35 PM
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i mean how can you not trust this man...

Exactly. This image is LULZ & I love it.
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07-10-2019 , 03:52 PM
Someone awhile ago recommended to me https://www.amazon.com/Strategies-Sm.../dp/B01JJB0TA6



Looks to be geared towards online play, however published in 2016.
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07-16-2019 , 07:20 AM
Lyle Berman's chapter in Super System 2
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07-19-2019 , 01:13 PM
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Lyle Berman's chapter in Super System 2
This had better be a joke.
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