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10-13-2017 , 06:53 PM
4 handed 1/2 PLO online. History with villain:

-Tends to call way too much, especially on river trying to pick off bluffs. Will fold for pot sized bets, but known to call down very light for 1/2 or 2/3 pot sized bets on river.

-Generally has the goods or nut draw when raising/potting.

-When stuck/tilted willing to get it in light for 100-150 BBs (hands like top & bottom on flop he'll just stick it in, even as weak as naked open ender).

-During winning sessions, plays tighter, and generally tighter when deep as well.

UTG folds, Hero $7 OTB with J T 8 4

SB folds, Villain calls in BB. Villain is up $500 or so and stacks are $550 effective.

Flop ($15): 9 7 2

Villain checks, Hero $15, Villain $45, Hero can either reraise or flat, folding obviously not an option. Again, stacks are $550 effective.

Wondering what thoughts are on best line being pretty deep and in position here. Flat call? Click it back $75? Reraise to $135? Pot raise to $165?

2nd hypothetical question: If I had the A instead of the 4, how does that affect how you would proceed?
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10-13-2017 , 07:59 PM
Would call in position, J high is easy to fold if it runs out blanks and we are rarely dominating when 250bb goes in. Also allows us to pot control a bit if a flush hits (like villain pots turn and river when a flush hits turn).
I'd be happier to just put 250bb in if I was in BB and villain on BTN.

If villain can x/r/f on flop that's a reason to raise, but it doesn't sound like it from what you said and with position and being on the BTN villain might well not believe us if a draw gets there.
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10-13-2017 , 09:22 PM
Don’t pot the flop. Bet half pot. with such a big SPR you don’t wanna go deep too early on hand as it will make for an expensive turn Call/shove if a brick hits turn.

Villain has a capped range most likely has NFD Top Two or a set. He’s not folding and you have to hit so repopping here isnt an smart option

The play changes quite a bit if you have NFD as villains range is very narrow and your essentially flipping against a set.


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10-14-2017 , 04:48 PM
I ended up flat calling. Turn was a 9, he led $70 into $115 and I folded, he showed the 8 of diamonds. Anyone ever continue on that turn?
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10-15-2017 , 12:48 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeucesNeverLoses
I ended up flat calling. Turn was a 9, he led $70 into $115 and I folded ... Anyone ever continue on that turn?
No.

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeucesNeverLoses
he showed the 8 of diamonds.
Now come up with 3 other cards where you are ahead. Even if he is doing this with any T8 you are far from ahead:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
129,520 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 9729
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JdTs8c4d34.10% 32,80222,717
T8d:dd:60%65.90% 74,00122,717
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10-19-2017 , 02:04 AM
I'm shocked how no one has said you should jam flop after his raise. Every single of your straight outs are outs to the nuts. You also got flushdraw along to go with it. And if he has the higher flush draw, hey, you block it with two flush cards.

The only way he got you dominated on the flop is with a set+fd.

I understand that there are disasterous turns, like the 9 you mentioned. But for me, disasterous is a board pair and thats only 6 cards ~ 12%. Rest of the deck is good for you to jam the rest of the stack in.
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10-19-2017 , 02:43 AM
how shocked?
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10-19-2017 , 03:15 AM
5/7
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10-19-2017 , 12:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Itsmyfault
The only way he got you dominated on the flop is with a set+fd.
Depending on his draw raising range you can be dominated a decent amount (shocker: the random 4 in your hand is bad). You have no pair, you have to be pretty creative to think you are dominating anything.
Lots of the value in jamming flop would be him folding.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
23,780 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 972
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
JdTs8c4d47.36% 11,2630
A863:dd:60%52.64% 12,5170
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10-20-2017 , 05:59 PM
I think you play correctly. Only flop c bet size should be
Smaller imo. By betting half pot with that hand you invite
Over pairs and weak OE to call and u re in great shape against that hand. Jamming the flop doesn't make much sense. Against any pair and higher FD you re in bad shape.
Against a player with this tendencies i would not be feeling bad after turn changes ck.
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