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[PLO 10] call, fold or raise river ?

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09-21-2018 , 05:21 AM

CheckNorris

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Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 141

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players

SB: $13.46 (134.6 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10 (100 bb)
MP: $11.10 (111 bb)
Hero (CO): $25.08 (250.8 bb)
BTN: $14.11 (141.1 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8d Kd As Ac
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.35, 2 folds, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) Ks Js 8c (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.72, BB calls $0.72

Turn: ($2.19) 6s (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($2.19) 2s (2 players)
BB bets $1.58...

Spoiler:

BB is an unknown player... should i also bet the turn ? what is better at the river ?

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09-21-2018 , 06:12 AM

TheMVP

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,753

Bet turn always planning to bomb river.

River depends on villain, can imagine players at these stakes calling more frequently so probably a give up.

As played, again depends on villain. More agro players will show up with a lot of busted straight draws here.

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09-21-2018 , 06:29 AM

PokerPlayingGamble

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4,669

fold

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09-21-2018 , 07:34 AM

CheckNorris

centurion

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Originally Posted by TheMVP

Bet turn always planning to bomb river.

Hmmm, yes but are we have some value with our 2 pair, are we turning it into a bluff hoping he will fold his equity ? If he calls the turn then i guess he has a flush or JJxx and we also need to bluff the river.

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09-21-2018 , 09:20 AM

TheMVP

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,753

Sometimes gotta turn a made hand into a bluff, gotta do what ya gotta do. Will make you much harder to play against.

You also deny equity to straight draws that have to fold.

Although kinda standard to just give up on the river when the 4th spade hits.

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09-21-2018 , 10:07 AM

Do0rDoNot

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Join Date: Jun 2018 Posts: 833

I look up these silly bluffs all the time and I'm always right because no one ever checks back the nut flush on the turn.

If you're going to bluff, bet the turn.

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09-21-2018 , 10:47 AM

MIB211

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This is very villain-dependent for me.

Against a true fish, fold river. They're probably just going to station you with a flush, and aren't betting worse and probably aren't bluffing.

Against a very good player, fold sometimes call sometimes. You have showdown value, but someone who's a good hand reader should recognize that you very rarely have the nut flush after checking turn, especially when the 4th spade hits on the river reducing your flush combos.

Against the middle group, this is a nice spot to raise. A lot of players "know" that the raise here is always the nut flush, but aren't really thinking about how your turn check impacts your raise here.

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09-25-2018 , 07:41 AM

duorient

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Assuming you have no reads on the opponent I don´t think it´s a good raise for three reasons:

1. Your hand has showdown value.
2. An average unknown at PLO10 usually won´t fold a flush.
3. His range has lots of busted draws.

A call here is fine with your showdown value IMO.

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09-25-2018 , 09:26 AM

CheckNorris

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Originally Posted by duorient

After thinking more about the hand that is also my conclusion... i didn't have any reads so i should have played considering the general tendencies of the player pool in PLO10.

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