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07-20-2018 , 08:23 AM
Hi,

Currently really getting into the soft fields of 4/5 card omaha hi lo. But I have a few questions.

First hand: i have AK982 with nut diamonds:
The door card is a 7 of diamonds.

we are approximately 15 big blinds(?) deep

Action preflop 6-handed: utg is a spewy donk and pots it.
Hijack repots it (clearly a set)

I decided to go all-in: because the utg guy is liable to have any four cards and will not fold. against him i am doing pretty good. Against the hijack i have pretty bad odds i think. But actually i have no idea how bad?

What are my odds against a set preflop?
Without a nut low draw? With one?

I got it in against an A28j9 with a jack high suit in hearts.
And a set ofcourse. 7768Q with a q-high suit in hearts

Next hand:

I have: J98K10 in the bb
Doorcard is a 10

Flop goes 3-way: 7s8s10c
guy bets third pot i flat call
turn is the 6 of clubs. guy bets quarter pot i call and third guy pots it.
I fold.

I was thinking: should i fold to the second barrel? (without the pot)
Because i am only getting freerolled here... and i don't know odds and stuff to call. I have the nut straight, but all the freerolls and i have no low draw

I folded, one guy had the nut low and the spade flushdraw the other had nothing (jack high and the club flush draw with A3) and called it of.
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07-20-2018 , 08:35 AM
Another one:

Door is a 4 of spades
I have:
A3210Q

No spades: i am hijack and effectively 11 big blinds deep with the whole table
I open --> should this be a fold??
Big blind repots with 9 big blinds

I call: ofcourse i am up against the set of 442QK no spades

Q: if i open, should i call the pot bet knowing his range of sets ?
What is my equity preflop?

God what an interesting game!
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07-20-2018 , 04:47 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaartenRR
First hand: i have AK982 with nut diamonds:
The door card is a 7 of diamonds.

we are approximately 15 big blinds(?) deep

Action preflop 6-handed: utg is a spewy donk and pots it.
Hijack repots it (clearly a set)

I decided to go all-in: because the utg guy is liable to have any four cards and will not fold. against him i am doing pretty good. Against the hijack i have pretty bad odds i think. But actually i have no idea how bad?

What are my odds against a set preflop?
Without a nut low draw? With one?

I got it in against an A28j9 with a jack high suit in hearts.
And a set ofcourse. 7768Q with a q-high suit in hearts
I haven't played a whole lot of courchevel HL, but I would say at 15BB deep, odds don't really matter on sets and what not. Low card showing with your suit has pretty good odds to have you on a bare low draw at the very least. If I were sitting on 100BB and this type of action, I fold PF if I'm not holding a pair or some hole cards that connect with a 7, like A256x or A289x, A268x, etc.

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Originally Posted by MaartenRR
I have: J98K10 in the bb
Doorcard is a 10

Flop goes 3-way: 7s8s10c
guy bets third pot i flat call
turn is the 6 of clubs. guy bets quarter pot i call and third guy pots it.
I fold.

I was thinking: should i fold to the second barrel? (without the pot)
Because i am only getting freerolled here... and i don't know odds and stuff to call. I have the nut straight, but all the freerolls and i have no low draw

I folded, one guy had the nut low and the spade flushdraw the other had nothing (jack high and the club flush draw with A3) and called it of.
I don't like your fold in a 3 way pot. Odds are the guy who potted the turn just made his low and has some sort of redraw. The intial bettor is likely chasing spades and is trying to catch cheap. If the first guy calls the pot bet, you can't fold 3 way, when it is likely that the other 2 players are sitting on low draws.

Also, you should raise this flop. You don't want to let other people chase low draws cheaply, and if the flush comes, you'll just have to fold to action. Thats the price you pay for playing High only hands.

Could also argue for raising PF, as the 10 is a good card for you and bad for anyone playing a low only hand.

Last edited by DingusEgg; 07-20-2018 at 04:56 PM.
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07-20-2018 , 04:56 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaartenRR
Another one:

Door is a 4 of spades
I have:
A3210Q

No spades: i am hijack and effectively 11 big blinds deep with the whole table
I open --> should this be a fold??
Big blind repots with 9 big blinds

I call: ofcourse i am up against the set of 442QK no spades

Q: if i open, should i call the pot bet knowing his range of sets ?
What is my equity preflop?

God what an interesting game!
Why are you always sitting so short?

Also, for the record, this is the Pot Limit Omaha forum, the Omaha HL forum will likely have better insights for you.

Nothing wrong with raising with a low card showing and sitting with A23xx in late position, I probably just limp from hijack if I'm not suited to what is showing.

You're about a coin flip to hit the low, with a 4 showing. So if its not suited to what you have in your hand, less likely to back into a flush.

As I said, haven't played a ton of courchevel HL, so can't comment too much on odds, but it is a PF action game, where people can go nuts trying to pump up the pot because they can see one card. I've always preferred to take a bit more of a passive approach and let other people do the betting, then try and crush them when the flop hits. Just have to find your preferred strategy.
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07-20-2018 , 06:30 PM
Very hard to make big mistake with 15bb.I think when deeper limping could be legit option here.First hand when you have backdoor low and bfdf I would be cautious when not having good low backup. Huge difference between a2xxx and a23xx.8 is not that helpful.
I really like your fold with nut hi no low facing this action second hand.
You can check equities in PPT. https://gyazo.com/39560d73429ee9b2405d27bc67d130f5
You are surprisingly not in that bad shape here even against 77a2,and this is basically one of the worst scenarios.
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07-27-2018 , 02:17 AM
Hand 1 you can get it in for a LOT more BBs than 15.
Hand 2 seems okay to me to call the first time around and fold the second.
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07-27-2018 , 02:29 AM
this is a game where using PPT will really help you figure out a ton of things.

like a set seems really strong, and it is, certainly. but if you put it up against NFD/NLD you find that hand has a very strong amount of equity.

definitely a game where you need to run sims.
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07-27-2018 , 03:20 AM
I think folding h1 is ok, even though fish being involved makes it closer. Even with the 7 out there, 9 and 8 are still low value cards and lack of any real counterfeit protection matters.

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08-01-2018 , 07:34 AM
Thanks a lot for the replies! I like the game. I am really new to it, so it is really difficult to understand the different intricacies. Will read a lot more on this forum .

The reason why i am so short: these are tourneys. First 4 I played, cashed all of them and made the FT twice (the lowest buy-in level on stars)
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08-04-2018 , 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by MaartenRR
Thanks a lot for the replies! I like the game. I am really new to it, so it is really difficult to understand the different intricacies. Will read a lot more on this forum .

The reason why i am so short: these are tourneys. First 4 I played, cashed all of them and made the FT twice (the lowest buy-in level on stars)
Would you do me and others a favor by formatting your hands a little more clearly? I would like to read over them but it would take too much time in their current format. Use the icons at the bottom of the page and try to collect all the information (size of the pot in BB etc, and preflop, flop, turn, and river action). It just makes it easier to read and you will get better responses and advice.
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