Hi all,

$1/$2 5-card. Hero has KdKsQdQhTd5c UTG and makes it $15. V/old Asian man calls in MP as do two others down the line. V is effective stack ($300). Pot $60.

Flop: 2d-3d-7h. Hero bets pot, old Asian man re-pots. Folds to hero...?

Should I be checking flop here? Should I be checking most of my my non-nut draw overpairs multiway out of position?

Thanks,
DT

your hand is dead for having six cards, so whatever you do, don't put any more money in the pot

Lol. Sorry I posted this tired after a session. There's no 5c dangler....

Theoretically, you should be more likely to bet non-nut hands out of position; OOP bets more mixed (less polarized) than IP because the cost of having a defined range is higher when you have to face an additional bet (rather than getting to check and see the next street). Although in four-way pots you just bet a lot tighter in general, so see below.

The pot being four-way is the biggest single reason to check here. Also, there is no real reason to increase the pot size. Diamond turns aren't great -- not only is it a 2nd-nut draw, but you block Qd and Td -- blank ones suck, at least you do have four set outs (oh the joys of having so many cards), but collectively all of that isn't so good against so many players. This flop interacts quite poorly with your raising range, so check a lot in general.

Against the flop raise, it's a pot odds calc vs. his entire stack, since stacks are shallow enough that EV(call) ~ EV(all-in). Seems like a fold.

Check back flop yes. You wanting to bet here indicates that you're stuck in a linear betting strategy. You don't want a linear betting strategy, you want a polarized betting strategy.

Like, cbetting pot on the flop and then being really unsure about what to do when you get raised indicates that you need to rethink some stuff

This is a really standard check on the flop (normally with the plan of folding to any reasonable bet sizes) and fold as played

This is interesting. I assume this is a general thought, and not something more specific to 5 card PLO?

With 4 card PLO on boards like this, where almost every turn card changes the nuts, I think I would have a more merged range regardless of position ... but on much dryer boards, like say a monotone flop, I'd be way more polarized OOP than I would IP.

Yeah I just started playing PLO and I am adjusting. I figured this should have been a check back after the fact (V had a pair plus the nut flush draw).

Obviously PLO is not like NLHE where most overpairs are usually cbets.

And not only did you move from NLHE to PLO, you moved to five card PLO

Without devaluing the game and its complexity (I'm not all that good of a player) I still think we can go by, especially in multi way 5c pots with high SPR, the mantra: Don't bet or call unless you have the nuts, or a draw to the nuts

And yes, you technically have a couple of draws to the nuts in this hand (Kings, queens, ace of diamond ) but ya know