been messing with Omaha MTT's lately, I'm hooked to say the least.. I yawn at the thought of Holdem.

Anyone have good MTT Omaha reads? links?

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 143.4 BB (VPIP: 57.14, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
SB: 172.2 BB (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 22.22, 3Bet Preflop: 33.33, Hands: 10)
BB: 87 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 8)
UTG: 219.4 BB (VPIP: 72.22, PFR: 19.44, 3Bet Preflop: 7.69, Hands: 38)
Hero (MP): 100 BB
CO: 84.8 BB (VPIP: 17.24, PFR: 3.45, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 30)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 2 T A 5

UTG calls 1 BB, Hero calls 1 BB, fold, BTN calls 1 BB, fold, BB checks

Flop: (4.4 BB, 4 players) 5 7 5 BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets 4 BB, BTN calls 4 BB, fold, fold

Turn%s: (12.4 BB, 2 players) 8 Hero checks, BTN bets 11.8 BB, Hero calls 11.8 BB

River%s: (36 BB, 2 players) 3 Hero bets 24 BB, BTN calls 24 BB



how did I play it? Also:

PokerStars - $0.05 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $4.37 (VPIP: 100.00, PFR: 66.67, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 6)
SB: $5.67 (VPIP: 4.76, PFR: 4.76, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 21)
BB: $4.16 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: $4.17 (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
Hero (MP): $5.53
CO: $38.15 (VPIP: 43.48, PFR: 32.61, 3Bet Preflop: 22.22, Hands: 47)

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.05

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.07) Hero has A 8 5 A

UTG raises to $0.15, Hero calls $0.15, CO raises to $0.65, BTN calls $0.65, fold, fold, UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $3.32, CO calls $2.67, BTN calls $2.67, UTG calls $2.67

Flop: ($13.35, 4 players) T 3 8 UTG bets $0.85 and is all-in, Hero raises to $2.21 and is all-in, CO raises to $20.28, BTN calls $1.05 and is all-in

Turn%s: ($19.67, 4 players) 9
River%s: ($19.67, 4 players) 3

hand 1- Bet flop ~2.5-3 bbs. B/f turn, depending on sizing.

hand 2- 3 bet first time around, after you get your 3 bet range wider. Otherwise wp.

OK say I have AA78 double suited on the button

3 bet preflop, villian calls and checks to me on a paired board, JJ4 for example

What should I do here? I assume a standard C-bet of half pot but I'm not sure. I've had donks reraise with air but also house, quads etc

What does one do? Check call?

What about out of position? check call?

Half pot with entire range. Just know that players are bluff raising paired flops to preflop raisers cbets. Sometimes they have it though, so it's just kinda a crap shoot. Look at their f2cbet and raise cbet numbers to help with the decision on how to play turns. I think you have to call the raise and make them either bluff again on the turn or give it up. Stack sizes are a factor in whether to commit to the hand as well.

FWIW, JJ is far more likely to hit villain than 337 for example, so that too should factor into how far you want to go with the hand.

Lastly have rundowns in your 3 bet range so occasionally you hit that flop with trips too.

Cool thanks for the info.

I figured it would hit his range at least half the time.

What are you using for stats? I play on tilt, I need something decent that will provide the player stats

Holdem manager and pt4 are the most popular. I think there may be a free one too. I would just google each and see which you prefer. I am on a site that doesn't support either so I just have to guesstimate stats. It sucks in a way, but no one gets to use anything so we are all in the same boat.

How does zoom plo play @ .10/.25?

I can't quite get a handle on it, especially with my hud lagging all the time.

So today I'm down 20 buyins incredibly I got it in vs fish with AA double suited with decent other cards, QX, JX, KX etc managed to lose all 20 buyins to random hands hitting two pair, straights, etc.

4 Bet preflop and shoved..

Am I overplaying these hands? Is it just variance ? What should I be doing here? Keeping the pot small and trying to hit top set?

On most boards I had the nut flush draw too and I still missed..

Most of them had nothing hands like 72J4, 2438, QQQQs, 888A, etc

Maybe post the hands you doubt about in the checkup or a few separate threads, but from the description it looks more like variance, which doesn't mean you needn't improve - everyone does.

How to behave with a bare nut flush draw depends on the stack-to-pot ratio, if it's about <2 (4-bet pots) stacking off is automatic; if it's medium (~4, 3-bet pots) or high, then opps' actions should be considered - if someone is holding a set, our equity falls below 30%.

How often do you find just gamblers in PLO? Those who are tired of casino and want to try their luck in PLO. Sometimes you see some really weird PF all-ins with marginal eye-candy hands and i wonder if i'm playing the wrong game (NLHE). I mean it's possible to have a huge heater in omaha while playing bad. In NLHE it's so easy to lose money, omaha is different game imo, if variance is on your side.

If you hang around this forum long enough, a discussion about how long someone can run bad will come up. Eg, eskimo-sickness and mig come to mind for being way under ev for a long time, so it is possible for a bunch of fish to be having heaters while you are just sputtering along for a ****load of hands.

Okay seems logical. Very high variance game. I had a heater in my first month and probably thought i knew something about the game.
And lol, i enjoy omaha for gambling purposes :P
Love to get the big stacks in vs whale. Busting my rolls again by playing this game. A lot below EV this month. But what can you do when you have 3 maniac whales in a table and stacks are huge, just have to gamble (with big hands).

idk what to think...I wish I never started playing plo. It's addicting as hell and makes nlhe so fkn boring. It's like watching paint dry. I feel like i've turned into an action junkie/ degen. Unreal.

I'm totally more gamble prone (but thats the nature of plo, right?)... I keep saying **** like "this can't be too bad", "I know where the nuts are" or "I have blockers".


Honestly, I feel like i'm going to be in a world of hurt playing around with this game..

Any new literature or articles for PLO or o8.

Anybody??

Also are there any rough VPP/Hand ratios out there for zoom?

I've tried searching and can't seem to find any.

My own rate in Rush 25 is 0.4 FTP/hand, equivalent to 0.22 VPP/hand, as I'm trying to be LAG there - with VPIP=25, PFR = 18 I'm in the looser half of regs - Rush is predictably very nit-infested, with 1.5 fishes per table, many of them being shortstacked; I obviously have no Zoom experience but see no reason why it could play way looser. The average rate among regs in my DB is 0.35 FTP/hand, which corresponds to 0.19 VPP/hand.

I'm currently a small loser (~1bb/100) after rake, playing PLO5SH.

How problematic is the rake <PLO25 ?

rake seems to be >20bb/100 on stars at PLO5SH, but i'm not certain about this.

Is it reasonable to believe I need to move up as the rake is killing me, or do I simply need to plug summore leaks and grind it out?

Probably a little of both. Don't know your stats, but it's usually fine to play fit or fold at these stakes and just value bet the crap out of your nut or near nut hands. Don't really get too bluff happy especially on monochrome boards as any 7 hi flush is calling to the river.
Nutpeddle for the most part.

Rake is taking at least 18BB/100 and probably more, but there are people who are beating it and moving up, so it's doable.

GL.

November 2012

Relative rake per site and limit for 6 max cash games
Rake per 100 hands in big blinds


Limit \ Site PokerStars Full Tilt PartyPoker Titan Poker
NL5 6,58 10,22 7,50 10,22
NL10 7,13 10,38 7,64 10,38
NL25 6,88 7,80 7,80 7,80
NL50 6,32 7,01 7,11 7,11
NL100 5,32 5,83 5,94 5,83
NL200 4,02 4,39 4,43 4,39

argh

link : http://www.pokerolymp.com/articles/s...r#.Ucnc5Pmnqpc

No problems here, i have SSD maybe that helps if you haven't got one yet.

Is a very soft live 2/5 game beatable with 5% uncapped rake? Could someone make a living in a 5/10 game with the same rake structure?

does effective rake decrease when playing deepstack SH as opposed to 80-100bb?

with antes yes, without antes i wouldn't think so....or at the very least it depends on the players, it it's deep stacked with loose-aggressive players there will be a lot of 3- and 4-betting so you end up paying slightly more rake.