I am just experimenting with PLO, still playing old school boring NLH as my main game..
I was just curious to ask one question..
I noticed that, logically, due to higher VPIP and more complex games we can multitable less playing PLO. Is there any theory how less? if someone can play 24 tables 6max NLHE, how much he could get as a decent PLO player? I mean due to VPP per hand is it worth to play more than 6-10 tbls?

sorry if this is already answered (probably did) but this is beginner question thread, so I hope to get an answer.

cheers!

Play at Svenska Spel ainec, it's reportedly so soft that the $500 will be enough to play in SEK 0.5/1 ($0.075/0.15) PLO games.

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So here's GGaRJ's well.

It's not about earning more VPP/hour. First determine how many tables and hours a month you're going to play and how much you're going to rake approximately, then set a precise VPP goal closest to your estimate that allows to jump to a corresponding VIP program level (e.g. hit a stellar reward). The winrate is a primary consideration, cashback is secondary.

When Stars made changes to time to act recently, there was a lot of angry feedback from PLO regs, to which Pokerstars Steve responded that the site has already seen PLO players adjust by playing fewer tables and is totally fine with it

I'm not a guru in that as I've never played NLHE at a competent level but I'd say that 24 NLHE tables correspond to at most 18 PLO ones as the latter game is more complex. On the other hand, I'm constantly facing a PLO50 reg playing decently at the maximum 16 tables allowed on iPoker, so this estimate is not way off.

Not when you're a dumbass like me...Thanks for the tutorial.

Should I have double the roll when I play on 200bb tables assuming I buy in for the full 200bb? I've not played any tables higher than 100bb before and all the tables on Svenska Spel are 200bb max. Is it "bad" buying in for 100bb? Feels like I should buy in full.

In general, I'd say 200 bb non-ante tables (buy in for the max because fishes do so too) require a merely 1.2-1.3x bigger roll because investing more than 100 bb into a pot is rare anyway, but the softness of SvS means a way bigger attainable winrate, which allows for, I suspect, an even looser BRM than at 100 bb tables of other sites. Look at graphs of SvS regs like JN8, ViktorLuis, DockNiaz, Loctus - their green lines have never fallen by much (disregard EV lines, they're wrong because mucked hands aren't recorded in SvS HHs), Viktor's worst DS was about 40 BI iirc.

What's the lowest stake it's reasonable to start learning PLO at? Tried searching but couldn't really find a clear cut answer about whether the rake at micros is beatable or not. Is it possible to beat like 10PLO at a decent winrate pre rakeback?

never played 10PLO tbh, but with the absurdly high rake it's definitely highly recommended to have a decent rb deal.

even if you beat the games for 10bb/100 pre rb, your winrate's gonna double with a good deal.

Assuming the pot is limped/folded to me OTB or I am UTG what is my standard opening range UTG compared to OTB? I am just trying to get a feel for hand values and how they would change based on those two extremes. Are there any hands I should be limping to raise or limp/calling with as they are too good to miss the opportunity to see a flop? What type of hands am I looking for in PLO?

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN): $8.54
SB: $5.00
BB: $2.98
UTG: $9.62
MP: $6.59
CO: $21.29

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BTN with Q Q K K
UTG raises to $0.15, MP calls $0.15, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.15, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.52) 2 Q 3 (3 players)
UTG bets $0.35, MP folds, Hero raises to $1.30, UTG calls $0.95

Turn: ($3.12) 8 (2 players)
UTG bets $2.25, Hero ???

started 170bb deep, Zoom PLO5, no reads.

P.S. Is this the right place to post these hands? Didn't see many hand posts lower than PLO20 so thought it should go here.

@Hustle
In PLO we are looking to play suited & connected hands. Hands that draw well. This is a good read: http://en.donkr.com/Articles/plo-fro...h---part-1-186
Also Jeff Hwang's book PLO: The big play strategy. It explains the "nut"-strategy very well. PLO from scratch explains the stealing part of the game.
About the limp/raising. If you have fishy table and a maniac who raises almost anything, you can limp/raise AAxx. If he 3-bets a ton raise AAxx UTG, 4-bet and shove flop 100bb deep. If you have a table with many 70/0 fish you can limp/call some hands from UTG that you can call a raise with.

Thank you for your valuable information. I greatly appreciate the response and I will read the provided article and book as well as think about your recommendations.

@Uniquest there is a quick checkup-thread where you can get your hands checked.
If you want more than 1-2 responses i suggest you make a thread. The hand looks like a fold to me since you don't get the odds to draw to a full house. sucks to fold a top set but sometimes you have to. Since you are in position, you could call. Turn is a perfect scare card to donk into. You get 29,52% pot odds. You have to think that, if villain had a nut flush, why would he donk so big? I'd fold still since zoom is full of nutpeddlers.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

231,840 trials (Exhaustive)

board: 2Q38

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
QdQsKcKd	23.41%	54,264	0
Acc	76.59%	177,576	0

just starting... hope get better luck soon.

Is plo 1/2 and 2/5 cents more "easy" then sng (stt) 1.5/3.5$?
I am going to start with small roll and I definitely have big leaks on both games so I am wondering what game to start study hard to build bankroll and to play plo25.

i posted this about what to do with top set (Hero <utg+1> = JJ56) on scary flop facing a bet from BB who i had a read on.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/38...d-bet-1335217/

instead of responding about the flop, Almost everyone said Fold preflop.

Why fold preflop? and which fold?
dont limp in or just dont call the pot raise by laggy MP?

What if i had KK56? if different, WHY?

Yeah it's substantially different mostly because instead of 1 overcard to our pair, we have 3, which means that ~70% of flops will have an overcard to our pocket pair.

it's just a different/better hand, if you're a hold'em reg trying to convert to PLO just think of how differently you play AJ compared to AK. Same thing here with KKxx and JJxx.

I'll spam this in the popular threads:

just added a sticky called "SSPLO Grand Digest - the must-reads"

especially those of you who been around longer, we need all the institutional memory we can get. Come suggest threads/posts

Hello.

My questions...

What, based on everyone's experiences, are normal, high, and low percentages for limp-call pre, cold call pre, and check call post? I've added these figures to my hud and want to color code them for various ranges, but don't have anything to go off of. Can anyone help?

How do you stay disciplined enough to grid a roll out at PLO 5 , only to have hours worth of work undone in a couple of flips or bad calls like against a 3 high flush draw !!!!

any tips how to successfully grind a roll , ivejoined DC for vids

I'd imagine a competent player only ever limps a few raggy big pairs from EP, potentially some disconnected suited aces too in a soft game. so like 3%?

first of all, anything below PLO10 is just to get a feel for the game, not building a roll. unless u got an insane RB-deal and run like god, obv

If you can spare a hundo/month reloads for poker, just take aggressive shots at PLO10 until u start running better. Or as high as you can afford, really

if you wanna be conservative with ur BRM even this low, play NL. less rake, less variance

do you think it's a leak to bet too much? i got cheaply away from this one, usually i bet pot or 80%. Of course if i have the nuts i bet pot to protect against draws. I've tried to bet 50-60% each time and seems to work fine. Even when i have the nuts it's nice to induce a bluff from the villain.

No reason to bet so much on the flop. We had the only draw. When we get called, we are almost always beat, and maybe drawing dead. Just check the turn. Sometimes check turn when we have it, just in case we have an observant villain who will attack turn checks.

Yeah sizing was too big. Was the start of the session. After this hand i started to bet less. So far so good with betting less than the pot. I think that was one reason for my red line leak. Whenever i played more aggressive my red line started to leak. But going well now when i think a lot more about the hands and adjust bet-sizing against villains.

why cant rolls be built from PLO5? just too much rake and ridiculous calls making it too swingy?