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Old 07-23-2012, 11:21 AM   #551
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I've been playing a mix of 80% PLO5 and 20% PLO10. Right now I'm ~$97 under all-in EV, or 16 BIs over my last 12k hands.

Is this standard?
How is PT3 all-in EV calculated?
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Old 07-23-2012, 02:33 PM   #552
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What are the best sites for PLO in terms of traffic and softness?
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Old 07-23-2012, 04:54 PM   #553
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I've been playing a mix of 80% PLO5 and 20% PLO10. Right now I'm ~$97 under all-in EV, or 16 BIs over my last 12k hands.

Is this standard?
How is PT3 all-in EV calculated?
It's ur equity vs the hand when you went in. So if you go all in with AA vs KK pre for example u got the 80% times the pot All in EV, so when you win you are actually 20% above EV etc.
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:05 PM   #554
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It's ur equity vs the hand when you went in. So if you go all in with AA vs KK pre for example u got the 80% times the pot All in EV, so when you win you are actually 20% above EV etc.
So its done by $/street x equity.

Example;
On preflop 40% favorite, $1.5 goes in
On flop 75% favorite, $4 goes in (all-in)

expected allin ev = pre-flop (-$0.3) + flop ($2)
=$1.70

Yes?
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Old 07-23-2012, 07:51 PM   #555
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No, AIEV is not street-by-street: it coincides with the net win unless all the money goes in before the river, in which case it's calculated as (pot size)*(your equity on the street when you went all-in)-(total money invested). E.g. in hand 1 from your previous post here (#547) AIEV takes into account only your turn equity vs Villain's actual hand, in hand 2 AIEV=net=+$0.86, in your above example AIEV=$11*0.75-$5.5=+$2.75.
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Old 07-24-2012, 02:01 AM   #556
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Thx ****.

Best way to counter 50/30/10 who is aggro post flop..
3b any ss/dsrundown, BBBB, KKds, AAxx when in position? too wide?
What about an oop 3b range?
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:24 AM   #557
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Thx ****.

Best way to counter 50/30/10 who is aggro post flop..
3b any ss/dsrundown, BBBB, KKds, AAxx when in position? too wide?
What about an oop 3b range?
i 3bet those hands IP against all but the biggest nits.
your general game plan should be playing more hands IP vs them and less hands OOP.

more precisely, start opening less from utg, 3bet tighter OOP, don't even think about defending your blinds with anything but hands that crush his range, and with those 3bet him. furthermore, rather than 3bet light IP, open your value 3bet range (about time to include those hands you mentioned before if you don't 3bet them IP yet).

postflop it all comes down to his tendencies really.

one more thing about pre: leave table if he's sitting on your direct left (only stay if he's a huge idiot post flop, other huge fish at the table)
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Old 07-24-2012, 03:26 PM   #558
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PLO10 6max - I 3bet a BTN steal+sb call in BB with AAK2hh BTN calls SB folds. I have 180BB BTN has me covered.

flop A56r I cbet little over 3/4 BTN flats. turn 8 to complete the rainbow. Am I supposed to keep barreling here or c/c or smth? Anyway I bet 4 in 7.15 again and he raised it to 11.41. Now I have 25% equity against the str8 and almost got the right odds to call against str8s anyway, I was thinking if shipping over the left over 3$ is the right play? I mean he can still be bluffing from time to time or have a set+OESD or smth.

I don't know anything about this guy as it is early in the game.

Now that I wrote all of this it looks like a standart stack off unless I shouldn't barrel the turn there?
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:59 PM   #559
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Oh, and what kind of hands do you like to limp behind/make thin isolations with on the BTN/CO. From the junkier part, some hands with danglers and DS junk I mean.
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Old 07-26-2012, 03:14 AM   #560
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I'm a HE player and I'm trying to dabble in PLO a bit. Are there any good resources for what kind of game I should be playing preflop to start off with? Is there any typical preflop stats that you would recommend someone try and play when they are first starting off and suck at playing postflop?
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Old 07-26-2012, 05:40 AM   #561
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I'm a HE player and I'm trying to dabble in PLO a bit. Are there any good resources for what kind of game I should be playing preflop to start off with? Is there any typical preflop stats that you would recommend someone try and play when they are first starting off and suck at playing postflop?
In before do not tell someone how loose/tight they should play -hate.. 21/16/5!

But it really depends of villains, your position, stack sizes and dynamics, like in NLHE also. Just try to play hands which can flop well and use position. And if you can get everything in pre with AA it's ok also.
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Old 07-26-2012, 08:45 AM   #562
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is there any merit to raising or c/r cbets from villains who cbet too much (60%++) with air/only backdoors at the micros level ? (upto 25$)
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Old 07-26-2012, 06:49 PM   #563
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Is Nano stakes PLO rake beatable? I play on a skin with deposit bonus and kickback so I was wondering to build up a BR, would PLO be better than NLHE?
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:44 PM   #564
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is there any merit to raising or c/r cbets from villains who cbet too much (60%++) with air/only backdoors at the micros level ? (upto 25$)
I've tried this, seems to not work so well.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:59 AM   #565
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is there any merit to raising or c/r cbets from villains who cbet too much (60%++) with air/only backdoors at the micros level ? (upto 25$)
there are villains that fold too much to flop raises. plus there are boards where you can be almost sure villain did not connect well plus you might rep some strong hands.

just be careful. against most villains on most boards this is burning money.
rather focus on value betting the crap out of them.
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Old 07-27-2012, 08:47 PM   #566
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I'm always lost against loose passive types on the turn when I have top pair/weak 2pair/over pair, they c/c the flop, and turn is relative blank.

Hand 1:

Villain is 55/12, 20% agg freq

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $5.00
UTG: $6.72
CO: $3.03
Hero (BTN): $7.05
SB: $4.29

SB posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has A 8 A K

fold, CO calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.18, fold, fold, CO calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42, 2 players) T K 2
CO checks, Hero bets $0.32, CO calls $0.32

Turn: ($1.06, 2 players) 5
CO checks, Hero bets $0.84, CO calls $0.84

River: ($2.74, 2 players) 3
CO checks, Hero checks

Hand 2

Both villains are fish. 50/10ish.

Merge - $0.04 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

Hero (BB): $5.63
UTG: $6.53
BTN: $6.28
SB: $4.96

SB posts SB $0.02, Hero posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero has As 2s 9s Ac

UTG calls $0.04, fold, SB calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.16, UTG calls $0.12, SB calls $0.12

Flop: ($0.48, 3 players) 3h 4d Kc
SB checks, Hero bets $0.36, UTG calls $0.36, SB calls $0.36

Turn: ($1.56, 3 players) 3c
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($1.56, 3 players) 4
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks

Hand 2 is a bet, yes?
Hand 1 is a bet?
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Old 07-28-2012, 03:41 AM   #567
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Hand 1 wp, std turn v-bet

Hand 2: bet turn for value/protection
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:55 AM   #568
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Hi looking for a new plo site with rakeback and a large player pool(dont care if regs or not). Currnetly playing on pokerstars, but only play 10-15 hours a week. Roll will be $3-4 k playing 25,50,100. Im from New Zealand. Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
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Old 07-28-2012, 06:09 PM   #569
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any study groups for microstakes ? preferably 20/25$ level.
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Old 07-30-2012, 03:40 PM   #570
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if a guy at micros 3bets ur UTG in CO and you call pre. Do you ever try to bluff out his AA with a CR? I will often have like 30% against naked AA with all kinds of hands is it worth repping some set to try and fold his AA? I guess I can't rep low pairs too credibly there since not much of those are in my 3bet calling range. Well anyway those junk flops you get with all kinds of backdoors and a **** pair when you have 30% vs AA how do you play it?

Lets say like Tc9s6sJc on 8c5dKs. So I have double BDFD and a gutter and I alrdy have 30% vs AAxx. If I had a 5s instead of the 6s it's already 40%. Do you play these aggressively?

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Old 07-30-2012, 03:52 PM   #571
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if ur certain that he has AA and have something like QJT8 on T64r, def worth trying to push him off it. If he keeps c-betting and stacking off with naked AA, u just stop obv and maybe start peeling. Peeling is prob best in the above scenario, abc-villain will **** his pants if a 7 or 5 comes OTT, if he shuts down and u don't improve OTR, good spot to stab.

in the micros, u should expect spew and very little fold equity, so tread carefully. I wouldn't be surprised to see the majority of regs stacking off with the AA on a flop like that. I'm not saying that's bad, but prob the std they don't like straying from.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:53 AM   #572
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Is grinding out the micros really the best way to learn? Would I be better just starting out at 50c/$1?
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Old 07-31-2012, 05:47 AM   #573
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Absolutely, if u can afford it
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:17 AM   #574
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In b4 napsus angrily pointing at July Digest where he advised to start from low stakes even if overrolled.
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I still believe that one should start at stakes where the expected hourly profit is compared to the one made at a currently attainable real job. If the stakes are too low, a lack of motivation will occur. If the stakes are too high, mistakes will be too painful.

I don't know why people are complaining that rake kills when it can be reduced to 5-10bb/100 at the micros by good deals. It's higher at PLO25 than at PLO200 but the former stakes usually have more traffic, which allows to table-select or deal-select (or do a combined practice known as multisiting) more efficiently. Gaining a skill edge (self-control and self-improvement) matters more.
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Old 07-31-2012, 08:49 AM   #575
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"affording it" is a relative concept, obv
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