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07-11-2012 , 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry
Reading Hwang's PLO book. I'm a bit confused on some of the practice hands.

For instance.. assume its PLO4 6max..

UTG ($10) raises $.14, UTG+1 (fishy, 0% fold23b, $8) calls, MP (nit, $7) calls, CO (fishy, $10) calls, Hero has AsAx6s7x and ... raises? We can raise to $0.74 and if we get 4 callers the effective SPR is 2-3.

The book says call because our hand is face up if we 3b. 2+2.. thoughts?

Follow up question... If our hand is face up, should be 3betting with a strong low/middling rundowns and rep AA ?
Hwang recommends very passive play, in those nanogames everyone will call your 3bet and you will be 5way to the flop and your AA will most likely not be good any more so just flatting disguises your hand and you can play it like a drawing hand, hwang basically wants you to 3bet when you are like HU or sure that you are getting 3bet. He often tells you to limp some AA hands in the FR games too.
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07-11-2012 , 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Salats
Hwang recommends very passive play, in those nanogames everyone will call your 3bet and you will be 5way to the flop and your AA will most likely not be good any more so just flatting disguises your hand and you can play it like a drawing hand, hwang basically wants you to 3bet when you are like HU or sure that you are getting 3bet. He often tells you to limp some AA hands in the FR games too.
So, is this good advice in micro 6max?
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07-11-2012 , 06:15 AM
it's good advice for 6max too, if ur 3bet can't isolate to HU

if u have a monster AA though, any ds or AAJTss and such, doesn't matter if they put u on AA cause ur flopping so well even vs multiple ranges
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07-11-2012 , 12:34 PM
i played a hand earlier today at 6max 25plo 100bbs deep on the button facing an utg raise and 2 flats with akq10ss is this a mandatory 3 bet? i was unsure because it was likely i was only gna be getting 4bet with AAxx which isn't great vs my hand and if i didnt get 4 bet it was likely to be a multi way pot vs 3 other players which isnt bad but with flatting i allow an easier call for players behind when i have a hand that can flop massively dominating draws. also by 3 betting and getting called by 2 or 3 players i create a SPR of roughly 2;1 allowing pretty straight forward play for my OOP buddies.
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07-12-2012 , 03:16 AM
Not sure about above. My instinct would be 3b/fold to 4bet unless its a super aggro who could be 4betting premium rundowns/AA**/KKT9dsish hands. Not sure if thats optimal.

Okay, I have a few questions.

1- 5-handed PLO10 6max.

UTG ($5.50) is 44/29/2 over 100ish hands.
BB is 85/10 fish.

UTG raises to $0.35, hero (btn) raises to $1.05 with intent to call 4b..

What types of hands should I be doing this with? Is QQ78ds strong enough? What about JJTTss ?

2 - Villain is 30/10 with 40 agg freq

Hero raises to $0.35 in CO with AsKdTd4s, BTN calls, BB calls.

Flop ($1.15): Ax 7s 3x

check, hero bets $0.85, btn calls $.85, BB folds.

Turn ($2.85): 8 r

hero check, villain bets $2.00.

Is the turn always a c/f here? c/c? So lost in spots where I'm heads up on the turn with a medium strength hand that can't get calls from worse and will never fold out better. Advice?
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07-13-2012 , 12:59 AM
1. i think decent double pairs are good hands to to 3 bet. super dry aces vs jj1010ds is 52/48 (best case scenario) aakkds vs jj66 with no suits is 77/23 giving rough average of 35.5% which is more than the 33% immediate odds needed to call a four bet before we even consider the implied odds.
dry aces vs qq87ds is 57/43. seems okay but i think playabilty wise it mite be harder to play post. were as double pairs either flop a set or nothing. not sure about my observation just my 2 cents
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07-13-2012 , 01:35 AM
Is this a good shove or not? PLO5

Hero CO 75bb QJ108 Jsuited

Mp raises 3x, hj calls, I call, Sb 3bets 3/4 pot, Mp 4 bets 1/2 pot, hj calls, I shove...

Do ranges make a difference?

I was going to cold call the 3 bet with likely 3 in before me. Should I have called a 3bet or folded?
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07-13-2012 , 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SkankinPunk
Is this a good shove or not? PLO5

Hero CO 75bb QJ108 Jsuited

Mp raises 3x, hj calls, I call, Sb 3bets 3/4 pot, Mp 4 bets 1/2 pot, hj calls, I shove...

Do ranges make a difference?

I was going to cold call the 3 bet with likely 3 in before me. Should I have called a 3bet or folded?
Aren't you always up against aces there? I feel like it's a fold but I'm new to PLO too.
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07-13-2012 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by MILLIONAIRE77
i played a hand earlier today at 6max 25plo 100bbs deep on the button facing an utg raise and 2 flats with akq10ss is this a mandatory 3 bet? i was unsure because it was likely i was only gna be getting 4bet with AAxx which isn't great vs my hand and if i didnt get 4 bet it was likely to be a multi way pot vs 3 other players which isnt bad but with flatting i allow an easier call for players behind when i have a hand that can flop massively dominating draws. also by 3 betting and getting called by 2 or 3 players i create a SPR of roughly 2;1 allowing pretty straight forward play for my OOP buddies.
I think flatting is fine multiways, OTB ur guaranteed to get paid when u hit big, so it's fine to keep SPR high and allow a cheap flop for the weaker drawing hands.

if ds however, I'm def 3betting, ur flopping a strong FD combo in a 3bet pot really often, and ur opponents are likely to go with their inferior draws.
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07-13-2012 , 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by SkankinPunk
Is this a good shove or not? PLO5

Hero CO 75bb QJ108 Jsuited

Mp raises 3x, hj calls, I call, Sb 3bets 3/4 pot, Mp 4 bets 1/2 pot, hj calls, I shove...

Do ranges make a difference?

I was going to cold call the 3 bet with likely 3 in before me. Should I have called a 3bet or folded?
shoving is fine, at PLO5 people's ranges are all over the place, so I think there's def value in shoving. shoving can be a small mistake, but folding can be a huge mistake
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07-13-2012 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by tmckendry

2 - Villain is 30/10 with 40 agg freq

Hero raises to $0.35 in CO with AsKdTd4s, BTN calls, BB calls.

Flop ($1.15): Ax 7s 3x

check, hero bets $0.85, btn calls $.85, BB folds.

Turn ($2.85): 8 r

hero check, villain bets $2.00.

Is the turn always a c/f here? c/c? So lost in spots where I'm heads up on the turn with a medium strength hand that can't get calls from worse and will never fold out better. Advice?


If u fire turn here the best hand i think u cld get to fold is 73xx i think 456x is still calling turn and also all sets, a7xx and maybe a3xx. so ur folding out a better hand (73xx) a small amount of the time but most other hands are calling and now uve got a medium sized pot with 1 pair. doesnt look good. i think a c/f is best as even if u are in front against 456x u are oop and ur opponent can just own you. if it goes check check on turn hit 2 pair and hope its good. playing oop rly sucks in plo i think ur basically just trying to 3 bet nice playable rundowns/premium aces get the SPR a bit lower so being oop doesnt suck so much and jam it in with some sort of decent equity or just flat keep the pot small and play hands like jeff hwang suggests like top set+nutfd.
in pos tho im still not sure how loose u shud be playing i think its very loose and agro since most cases ppl are either playing the way stated above(so will fold often) or theyre trying to hang on to pots with weak made hands/draws and can be blown off their hand(so will still fold just later in the hand) if u choose good cards to follow through on the turn and river.
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07-14-2012 , 12:50 AM
pretty sure i played this hand so passive i wna puke. i was gna play it aggressively on the turn if it was a safe card but the ten was pretty terrible. on turn i was farily sure ne board pairing card was an out so just flatted after the bet and call. shud i be trying to get this in on flop close to 100% of the time considering the board texture with no flush draw and the biggest wrap + 2 backdoor fds is only 42% vs me.


***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Boss)
€50.00 USD PL Omaha - Saturday, July 14, 04:05:28 ET 2012
Table Table OH 541 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Seat 1: Player1 ( €41.89 USD ) - VPIP: 29, PFR: 7, 3B: 0, AF: 2.6, Hands: 1142
Seat 2: Player2 ( €59.25 USD ) - VPIP: 44, PFR: 22, 3B: 8, AF: 2.2, Hands: 107
Seat 3: Player3 ( €49.90 USD ) - VPIP: 59, PFR: 10, 3B: 0, AF: 2.2, Hands: 41
Seat 4: Hero ( €61.17 USD ) - VPIP: 41, PFR: 28, 3B: 8, AF: 3.9, Hands: 14363
Seat 5: Player5 ( €48.95 USD ) - VPIP: 73, PFR: 38, 3B: 7, AF: 4.0, Hands: 37
Player3 posts small blind [€0.25 USD].
Hero posts big blind [€0.50 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs Qh As 6s ]
Player5 raises [€1.00 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 calls [€1.00 USD]
Player3 calls [€0.75 USD]
Hero calls [€0.50 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, Qd, 6c ]
Player3 checks
Hero checks
Player5 bets [€3.00 USD]
Player2 calls [€3.00 USD]
Player3 folds
Hero calls [€3.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
Hero checks
Player5 bets [€6.50 USD]
Player2 calls [€6.50 USD]
Hero calls [€6.50 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 7d ]
Hero checks
Player5 bets [€16.25 USD]
Player2 folds
Hero folds
Player5 wins €30.90 USD from main pot
Player5 wins €16.25 USD
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07-14-2012 , 03:29 PM
MILLIONAIRE77, I might have faced you at PLO30, you're Brazilian, aren't you? (Judging by the timestamp in the HH; unlikely Polish due to posting times.)

If so, I respect and fear you . I think you're playing a bit too loose for a beginner to my taste, putting yourself into tough postflop spots. Generally, don't call 3bets with trash and don't stack off light with SPR~2.

With AKQTss, I like to flat too, it's a strong hand but it's better multiway.

In your last hand, I either check/raise/fold the flop (KK is still probable, if UTG shoves JT9 congrats to him; flatting is bad because straightening turns are undesirable) or, as played, herocall the river - that UTG with AF=4 lowered his sizing to halfpot on the turn makes me think that he's not satisfied by his hand, it may be either a thin valuebet or a cheap bluff but I don't believe in KK.

I'd like to hear others' comments on this hand though.

It would be nicer if you found HHs you want to post in .xml files by their number and copypasted them into the 2+2 converter.

Last edited by coon74; 07-14-2012 at 03:49 PM.
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07-15-2012 , 08:38 AM
na not brazilian. british living in oz. yeh not sure with the hand above it felt like j9 but only had 37hands on him so had no idea how agro he was.
soz about the hand history im a total noob to this posting stuff. pm ur screen name and ill let u no if ive played u. i play on interpoker n stars a lil bit.
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07-16-2012 , 03:09 AM
What's a typical cbet % in PLO?

I'm in the 55-60% range over 6k hands and I feel like its too much. (It's certainly one of the highest at the table at all times)

Is it a leak to cbet an overpair with a bit of equity (Say donkey gutshot+nut BDFD... or gutshot to the nuts) when 3-4 handed vs an assortment of typical PLO5 villains?

What about heads-up when you have almost no equity. Say for instance your in the CO and raise 8764ss, folds to the BB (41/10 with 30% fold to steal) who calls and the flop comes Ad 9c 3s. cbet flop 60-70%pot and give up? or just check and give up?
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07-16-2012 , 01:27 PM
At PLO5, c-bet mainly for value, especially multiways

Since ur opponents are generally clueless and won't try and bluff vs a missed c-bet, u should go for delayed c-bets OTT when they check to u twice. Multiways there's no shame in just checking to showdown, bluffing nanoplayers has very little value overall
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07-17-2012 , 04:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GoGetaRealJob
At PLO5, c-bet mainly for value, especially multiways

Since ur opponents are generally clueless and won't try and bluff vs a missed c-bet, u should go for delayed c-bets OTT when they check to u twice. Multiways there's no shame in just checking to showdown, bluffing nanoplayers has very little value overall
Thx gogetarealjob, you've been very helpful responding to my questions. Expect more
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07-17-2012 , 01:41 PM
Always happy to help

My activity fluctuates quite a bit these days with the new baby, everyone is free to pester me with a PM if my contribution is wanted where I'm yet to give it.
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07-18-2012 , 11:49 AM
Kd8dQc9c an open UTG PLO2 6max?
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07-18-2012 , 12:21 PM
Fine imo.
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07-18-2012 , 03:44 PM
yea, plays ok... might actually limp myself, raising bloats the pot when ur likely to be multiways, OOP and not hitting dominating draws that often. KQT9ds I'm raising as the connectivity is much better already
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07-18-2012 , 06:26 PM
Ok, got a hand for you to review, 300deep 6max PLO2 zoom hand, don't have PT for omaha yet so just gonna write it myself

so I open UTG with Ah6h7s9s CO(200bb) 3bets, BB(300bb) calls I call

flop is 8h9sAd i check CO cbets 1/3 pot BB calls I call, turn 5h I check CO checks BB makes it 1.00 I raise to like 3.50 CO folds BB calls, turn 7s. Now we have 100bb left and a 8.4$ pot or smth and he ships it in, is this a snap call? :P He has to somehow have T6 here to beat me and I don't think he has a lot of those but then again it's 100bbs to call..
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07-18-2012 , 07:55 PM
unless u made a mistake, I see u sitting with nuts + NFD + top 2, T6 doesn't make a str8

pot flop when it gets back to u
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07-18-2012 , 09:11 PM
Salats had top 2 and two BDFD otf and I agree he shoulda c/r'ed otf and potted ott. JT got there otr and matches all the previous action pretty well (T6 got there too but it's far less probable), so folding is not a big mistake imho.
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07-18-2012 , 11:15 PM
SB is 19/0/0 for vpip/pfr/3bet over 250 hands

thoughts? Questions?


Merge Network $0.02/$0.04 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players - View hand 1829115
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BB: $2.84
UTG: $4.68
MP: $6.44
CO: $4.94
Hero (BTN): $7.53
SB: $2.38

Pre Flop: ($0.06) Hero is BTN with 2 A 2 A
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.14, SB calls $0.12, BB calls $0.10

Flop: ($0.42) 2 9 K (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.31, SB calls $0.31, BB folds

Turn: ($1.04) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.78, SB calls $0.78

River: ($2.60) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.30, SB calls $1.15 all in
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