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Old 12-31-2011, 10:25 AM   #26
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Re: ***Official SSPLO Beginners Thread - New to PLO? Try this for quick questions/tips/chat***

I know this is kind of a vague question and depends on a lot of factors, but how wide should you be calling 3-bets OOP?
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:23 PM   #27
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I know this is kind of a vague question and depends on a lot of factors, but how wide should you be calling 3-bets OOP?
Also when you do 3bet what is an optimal size for 3betting IP & OOP?
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Old 12-31-2011, 12:33 PM   #28
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I know this is kind of a vague question and depends on a lot of factors, but how wide should you be calling 3-bets OOP?
You said it,it depends on lots of factors.Don't think how wide generally you should call 3bets oop,rather adjust to table and play your game.
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Old 12-31-2011, 02:00 PM   #29
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plo 25-100; party or stars?
As an add to this are there any other networks with a decent amount of games at these limits? I've just looked on Everleaf (Minted) and it was sparse. I am really starting to think that it's pointless playing below PLO100 without a reasonable RB%, Stars really sucks for this but has plenty of games
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Old 12-31-2011, 04:40 PM   #30
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Opening sizes how much from what position and why? Ive tried just about everything. Potting it, 2x, 3x, limping. 2x and limping lowers your variance a little. People will stack off no matter what the spr is.
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Old 12-31-2011, 05:35 PM   #31
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I think for small/micro stakes PLO2-25(?), Limp/calling and limp/3betting from EP/MP is a good strategy. Flops will often be multiway so u prefer just seeing a cheap flop since you can't just barrel into multiple villains as first to act. You also get the chance to 3bet the top of your range often, which will reduce SPR when oop (important) and give you a much better chance to see the flop HU or 3ways.

At the stakes mentioned above, potting your opens from late position (CO/BTN) is the way to go, it's the best way to maximize positional value
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Old 12-31-2011, 07:19 PM   #32
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great thread guys, i just found it and so i apologize in advance for the clutter my posts are going to cause.

1. ive noticed that i get less hands/hour at PLO than at NLHE, which makes sense because more players/flop more postflop play in general. i play 4 tables NLHE, but can i get away with playing 6 tables PLO and still improve and develop good reads on my opponents since the action is slower?

2. i had a -10BI session at 10NL running about 7BB under EV. should i have stopped playing, or are 10BI swings normal at PLO? (a good part of those 10BB were lost due to tilty spewy decisions)

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Old 01-01-2012, 06:15 AM   #33
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best smallish site for PLO

outside of stars, where is the best site for an Australian to play PLO???
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Old 01-01-2012, 11:01 AM   #34
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outside of stars, where is the best site for an Australian to play PLO???
If you mention what stakes your playing it'll make it easier for someone to give you advice, as its pretty rake dependant which can vary depending on what stake your playing.
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Old 01-01-2012, 01:42 PM   #35
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great thread guys, i just found it and so i apologize in advance for the clutter my posts are going to cause.

1. ive noticed that i get less hands/hour at PLO than at NLHE, which makes sense because more players/flop more postflop play in general. i play 4 tables NLHE, but can i get away with playing 6 tables PLO and still improve and develop good reads on my opponents since the action is slower?
You should play less tables of PLO than you do NL in general since the game is more complicated on a very basic level and most people tend to play a higher VPIP game in PLO

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2. i had a -10BI session at 10NL running about 7BB under EV. should i have stopped playing, or are 10BI swings normal at PLO? (a good part of those 10BB were lost due to tilty spewy decisions)
A lot of lower level players I know make it their stop loss at 5 BI or so. Personally, I just take a break if I'm running bad and stop playing for the day if I'm playing bad. You should definitely do one if not both of those since it looks like you have tilt issues.

10 BI downswings are to be expected, but a lot of people chalk up 15BI downswings as variance when tilt, table selection or bad play probably played a significant part in the losses.

I'll try to write an article on tilt management for the next digest I guess, though I'm no authority on the subject.
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:25 PM   #36
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I lost 7 buy ins last night pretty quick but was running dirty. Normally id quit but I realised i wasn't actually doing anything wrong and was playing/reading well, just lost a few races in big pots. I carried on the momentum and reads I had and ended up 3 buy ins. Albeit very very rarely, but sometimes leaving the tables just because of a predetermined stop-loss isn't the best option if you feel you can eradicate any tilt and have a definite edge over whos taken your money
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:30 PM   #37
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Yeah, but not everyone has self-awareness of their emotional/mindstate.

I personally don't use any stop-loss, but I think it's a good idea to avoid disasters for a lot of people, even if your "stop" is just a 20 minute break to do pushups and eat a quick snack or go to the bathroom and cool off. Some sites don't kick you out of tables for an X amount of time, so you can keep your juicy seats.

If you go on a downswing bigger than 5BI, I recommend revisiting all the big hands you played that session to give an honest rating of how you played (I recommend that even if you win or break even actually).
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Old 01-01-2012, 06:48 PM   #38
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Yeah, but not everyone has self-awareness of their emotional/mindstate.

I personally don't use any stop-loss, but I think it's a good idea to avoid disasters for a lot of people, even if your "stop" is just a 20 minute break to do pushups and eat a quick snack or go to the bathroom and cool off. Some sites don't kick you out of tables for an X amount of time, so you can keep your juicy seats.

If you go on a downswing bigger than 5BI, I recommend revisiting all the big hands you played that session to give an honest rating of how you played (I recommend that even if you win or break even actually).
This is solid advice, what i have learnt from PLO is that my tilt threshold is much higher then what it was with H'em. So, I personally, dont think i'd ever need a general stop loss but saying that, if i ever lost 4+ 100bb buyins to the same player then i think it would be time for me to shut up shop.
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:04 AM   #39
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If you mention what stakes your playing it'll make it easier for someone to give you advice, as its pretty rake dependant which can vary depending on what stake your playing.
sorry mate, was not thinking when I was typing, looking to deposit somewhere between $200 - $500, based on that prob plo50
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Old 01-02-2012, 05:44 AM   #40
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@ bidwah
base on that probably plo10
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Old 01-02-2012, 06:55 AM   #41
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@ bidwah
base on that probably plo10
thanks buddy, but bankroll management is so 2011, my risk of ruin in this endeavor is pretty much a lock.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:06 AM   #42
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thanks buddy, but bankroll management is so 2011, my risk of ruin in this endeavor is pretty much a lock.
I take stabs as well,and also not taking care of BRM as I should,but 5-10BI for plo50 is just loosing money.GL anyway
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:20 AM   #43
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Would just like to say hi,

I'm Shadi, finishing of my A levels and live in Birmingham, UK.

Really looking forward to getting into PLO!

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Old 01-02-2012, 07:23 AM   #44
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GL anyway
thanks

any ideas what smaller sites have really fishy PLO games. not saying that I wont be the fish.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:29 AM   #45
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I'm aiming towards sportbetting sites such as bwin,goalwin..anything that has win in name so people starts thinking they will win and than i hammerd them!
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Don't think their is too many really fishy PLO50 games,everyones solid.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:39 AM   #46
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I'm aiming towards sportbetting sites such as bwin,goalwin..anything that has win in name so people starts thinking they will win and than i hammerd them!
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Don't think their is too many really fishy PLO50 games,everyones solid.
didn't click your spoiler, So I am going to assume your serious

bwin it is
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Old 01-02-2012, 08:17 AM   #47
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How can we: "put Villain on range" (a la NLHE)?
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:09 PM   #48
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well, simply put, it's much harder in PLO, especially for pre-flop unless playing an ubernit. Give us an example of a situation with villain reads/stats, so we have something to refer to.
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Old 01-02-2012, 12:09 PM   #49
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How can we: "put Villain on range" (a la NLHE)?
It's pretty rare you can put the villain on a specific hand like in NLH. You rarely will be able to say he has KQ97 with spades (though it's good to try).

Preflop you can try to put him on a vague range given what you know. You can assume he's not opening 2345 UTG if he's a solid reg. If he 3bets, his hand will usually be high card heavy or well connected unless he 3bets a ton.

Postflop is much easier. You just go with elimination based on what you know of the player. Some players call a bet with any piece of the flop, some only with nutted draws or 2pair+. What's harder is finding out how often which turn/river cards hit his range, but with experience it becomes easier.
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Old 01-02-2012, 07:27 PM   #50
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It seems like it would take 5x longer to run 100$ into 2k+ playing PLO.
I could play 10nl with 300$ but if I had 300$ playing PLO I would be stuck grinding 4 PLO for another 50 BIs(500$ for 10PLO).
Is there any point in playing PLO in the nanos?
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