I feel so ****ing tight. Like I rarely raise unless I Have a top 5-10% hand. Like only a AKQJ ds rundown or AA with 2 cards higher than 9 ds. I mainly limp and feel lost when I see a 3-bet or raisein front of me

I watched a video and def think I need to be more agressive, but it seems like even tho im waiting on hands that flop "big" I never get 13+ outs to really go deep in. maybe a pair or 2pair but we all know that's like equal to an Ace high in Omaha.


I am gonna re-read Hwangs PLO book again, I try to follow his pre flop play by only plauing Premium and Speculative hands like Q-J-T-7 and rundowns but feel I am leaving some money on the table and after 30mins of play I have blinded myself off or chipped off about 10-15bbs.




ahh Im rambling. Guess my question is, how how do I man up and get into more pots. Is limping most of my hands a +ev move in the micros?

7000 hands in and Still getting my azz handed to be @ PLO (lost like $120) ...but I feel like Im making some progress. Too help speed that up Ive upgraded my HEM to HEM2 + Omaha

Im real confused what HUD stats are best for a newb like me playing 5c/10c with some 10c/25c "shots" ? Can anyone give me some advice? thanks!

Pleasure, what stakes exactly?

interested in the answer to Pleasure's post. Reading Hwang and losing steadily...i keep seeing people showdown with two pair at .25/.50 and am wondering why im not allowed to do that.

i'm play about 30/10 and barely ever flop strong enough to get it in with my big play hands........

im gonna re-read it and DEDICATE to the book. maybe I ve been on a downswing or need to rehash some of the preflop basics. or maybe I should start playing FR PLO, if there are any tables.




lol I play 2/4c PLO.




I am not a big loser. prolly in my last 150 hands down $1.50 but still. feel I am doing tons wrong. wish I could get into more specifics but I am not sure where to start. again, maybe I gotta FR since thats what the book is based on

Thanks guys. Kinda like the post above I play at the micro stakes 2/4c PLO 6max and prolly should play FR(even tho its never run). I feel I still don't have a SOLID grip on preflop play. I rarely raise and I limp in a lot. I just don;t feel I am playing optimally preflop. I dont flop a lot of draw heavy boards which I should be since I am playing pretty good hands.



I ve been reading this thread and im on page 5 but It seems like its going to be some help to me so I will finish it up later. maybe re read some of Hwangs section as well

Well (says the PLO noob, me) i'm pretty sure that's too tight for 6max PLO games unless every flop is like 5-6 ways. And open-limping a majority of your hands is not correct. As usual, correct me if i'm wrong, PLO veterans.

Some basic 6max videos might help you. If you have a credit card, you can join Deuces Cracked for a week free, download several vids, and decide if they provide enough value to continue the subscription. 2x6 and Hellomaha are good beginner series.

My problem is the opposite -- i just moved to a state that absolutely bans online poker, so i need to take 6max resources like this and then adapt them to full-ring play where basically no one's ever folding. I've already pwned myself a few times trying Hwang's good ol' float move in live action, although to be honest i was misapplying it multihanded.

At 2c/4c, the optimal strategy is to concentrate on valuebetting. Limping a lot is fine, as long as u do it with nutty hands (high cards, big pairs, suited aces). Premium big pairs and high rundowns should be raised pre to maximize value vs inferior drawing hands. If u miss the flop there's no shame in shutting down and giving up. So many hands go to showdown that bluffing has very little value.

Cliffs for preflop:

At least 3 opponents to the flop = prefer hands that can make the nuts and play well multiways

does my hand flop well on average? Am I likely to flop a dominating draw? = Raise for value

My hand has potential multiways, but doesn't hit very often = limp

When to 3bet? a) if u can isolate a fish with a decent hand b) when ur hand plays well AND flops well. 3betting mediocre AA/KK depends on number of villains, those hands still play very well HU.

Post-flop: don't bluff, value bet thin, change sizing based on hand value (they won't exploit u at micros)

PLO50 is small stakes rather than micros, really depends on ur opposition.

FR is nearly dead, don't waste ur time there

Actually, perhaps those Videos would really benefit me. something I will sincerely look into.



Premium rundowns means atleast 2 of the cards being suited? where do I draw the line? 7-6-5-4 or 8-rundown?

fffuuck I want to post some HH for tonights sesh but I have no idea what will convert for the hand converter here on MERGE.


One hand I terrible missplayed and ended up winning with fullhouse. another one I had AkkJ rainbow and had to fold a set on a AKxxQ board becuase JT prolly got there. was a 3bet pot pre with 3 seein flop.


4 cards T/9 higher. even when RAINBOW are these 3bet POT worthy??

Lol, was inevitable I'd forget something. A/K/Q-hi rundowns with at least one suit are good candidates for 3betting. J/T-hi are borderline at micros where there's usually many villains on the flop and virtually no fold equity. Depends on how many are about to see the flop.

Lower than that, u prefer a cheap flop and pushing when u hit. On a 98x flop, u wanna be the one with QJT9 going against 8765 and not the other way around

standart lines in monotone flops, 4bet spots 100bb deep, psbish behind? for plo50&plo100

Assuming ur the 4bettor and don't have the flush.

HU it's usually a std b/c, unless it's something nasty like QJTsss and u don't have a piece. That's a rare exception though.

Multiways, c/decide based on reads

I'm happy to enjoy lax buy-in rules: I'm allowed to BI for 25-250bb for PLO20- and for 40-400bb for PLO50. I don't feel rolled for 250bb of PLO50, so I double-table 100bb PLO50 and 100bb PLO20, both 2-5-max (provided that only one table of each limit is running), if I double up at PLO50 I cashout and open PLO10 250bb deep for 30 mins instead. PLO20-50 have more fullstacked regs/monkeys (over which I have little edge) than loose passives. What's your advice on my BI sizes, e.g. should I BI for 250bb into PLO20 while playing PLO50 100bb?

yo i've been playing PLO10 for 2 months now, getting a good grasp on hand play and position, still down 10 buyin's but thats another story, my question is i will be in one of the blinds in a multi way limp pot with junk 447Jr and check and flop trips. if someone could talk about how to play this on dry flops, wet flops, and wet turns, should i be b/f wet turns or c/c, just lost how to play here,

thx

lead/decide is std for the great majority of spots, i guess

can u come up with specific examples with HHs?

yeah i just think bet/decide is always the way to go, but let me ask a lil tuffer question

plo10
BB hero 7.00
BTN villian 12.3
mp 5.68
cut 8.23

hero has AAJ8r

utg folds, mp pots(.35)cut calls,btn calls, hero pots 2.25, mp folds,cut calls, btn calls pot (7.15)

* i was thinking to just call and set mine AA but i liked raising, getting 1/3 stack in and trying to get HU since im out of position, even if it give my hand away

so flop is Qs,9c,7s i have to shove here right? no 3 card flush or 3 card str8, but draw city
hand plays on i get 1 call and its Ad10c9d8h

turn is a 7 and river is 8 so lucky elroy jetson

*if we can get over a quarter of are stack in with weak AA should we? im thinking it has to do with position.

In this hand you're close to getting a third in with dry AA, so that's gotta be correct doesn't it?

TBH when the experts say 1/3, i tend to think of it more as 1/4, because at SPR=1.5 how much room is there for villains to outplay you anyway? They should be folding with no piece of the flop or shoving with any piece of it, so I don't see how postflop play at SPR=1.5 is any different than 1.0. I'm open to correction if I'm thinking about it wrong.

Also I'm used to live where you can get a quarter of your stack in, get called two ways, and get some dead money in (SPR < 1.0). Now you just shove all flops (except the very worst, e.g. multiway and suited or three-straight) and hope for the best.

My rule of thumb is that 1/4 is enough, unless ur guaranteed to get at least 3 callers or something (and that's only with the worst aces). AKQJ10's post was good

What do you guys think of bankroll requirements for a 1/2 game where people frequently run it multiple times?

I believe the putting 1/3 stack in w/AA advice came from bugs's 'PLO from scratch' series where he proved that it's unexploitable HU even facing 9876ds. This issue for multiple callers needs more investigation imo, I'm reluctant to potshove bare AA multiway.

I've asked a question above on acceptability of different stack depths for different stake tables (maybe you didn't expect me here or w/e), could you answer it? Now, after I was bashed at PLO50, I'm comfortable playing PLO20 w/100bb and PLO10 w/250bb at the same time ldo, but the question remains for the future.

I don't think it should depend on whether they run multiple times or not, AIEV has only a slightly smaller variance that net winnings, see the aiev / variance / meta thread for discussion.

It's a good idea not to think about bankroll as separate from winrate. A marginal winner is going to have a BR requirement many many times larger than a solid winner.

Very good point. There are so many creators of variance in poker, it's amazing we stay sane.

If you're already better than him at PLO, i'd think that you could make a few adjustments (which you'll make more intelligently than he will) and get him to make even bigger mistakes at NLO. You're correct that multistreet play is less important if you can overbet preflop, but he'll probably make even worse mistakes stacking off that you won't make.

E.g. in micro online NLO8, a lot of people open shove AAxx pre for 100xbb. This is OK when people call a lot with A2xx (a serious mistake) -- so if he's stacking off light in NLOH, you'll get him.

Meanwhile, if people aren't stacking off light, i always think there's gotta be a better way to play AA. Even limping to treat it like QQxx and mine top set or fold seems more profitable unless you get yourself freerolled a lot. So you won't destroy the value of AA by open-shoving it if it won't get called, but he will.

Is this a decent hand to open UTG 6handed? AdKdTh7h