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Old 04-10-2017, 02:48 PM   #3151
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Is "Pot-Limit Omaha Poker" by Jeff Hwang still a good resource for someone wanting to learn how to play PLO effectively?
This book is helpful/relevant if you're just starting out or have never played PLO before. It helps with the fundamentals, and it is a good reference material to have for new/inexperienced players.

Hope that helps. glgl
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Old 04-11-2017, 09:50 PM   #3152
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Ran my bankroll down and want to do some railing/studying before I put more money on. What stakes should I be railing? (I only play 2plo, was playing zoom but this time I want to play regular 6 max tables).

Should I be railing 2plo tables or 25plo? I figure if I go up too high the game changes too much, lines and plays become more complex and railing won't be as helpful.
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Old 04-12-2017, 04:08 PM   #3153
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Any recommendations for microstakes PLO coaches that cost <$100/hour? Currently winning 10plo, probably beating 25plo but don't have sample size to be certain yet.
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Old 04-13-2017, 02:51 PM   #3154
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In pokertracker 4 why did I lose 100bb in AIEV with 54% equity pre and 75% equity on the flop? Is it something to do with BTN being AI pre?

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (MP): $2.00
CO: $1.04
BTN: $0.35
SB: $2.46
BB: $2.65
UTG: $1.95

SB posts SB $0.01, BB posts BB $0.02

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.03) Hero has A 2 A 8

fold, Hero raises to $0.06, fold, BTN raises to $0.21, fold, BB calls $0.19, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN calls $0.14 and is all-in, BB calls $0.64

Flop: ($2.06, 3 players) 6 3 6
BB checks, Hero bets $1.15 and is all-in, BB calls $1.15

Turn: ($4.36, 3 players) K

River: ($4.36, 3 players) 7

BB shows Q T K K (Full House, Kings full of Sixes)

Hero shows A 2 A 8 (Flush, Ace High)

BTN shows T T 2 4 (Two Pair, Tens and Sixes)

BB wins $4.22
Rake paid $0.14
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Old 05-07-2017, 05:14 PM   #3155
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Is a HUD necessary for micro PLO? Or a better question might be at what stakes does a hud become necessary? I just started playing PLO and am currently playing $5PL. Not sure if it is worth the money right now.
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Old 05-11-2017, 02:57 PM   #3156
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Hi all
Is this a Short Stack PLO thread?
I'm looking for a 40bbs 6-max PLO strategy materials
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Old 05-11-2017, 04:13 PM   #3157
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Hi all
Is this a Short Stack PLO thread?
I'm looking for a 40bbs 6-max PLO strategy materials
Gl, I think this thread is pretty dead. My last 2-3 posts haven't gotten replies in here.

I think the general consensus of replies however would be that short stacking isn't a great idea if it can be avoided.
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Old 05-11-2017, 05:44 PM   #3158
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Yeah, I hate SSS, its for the 8-game PLO 40bbs CAP game tho
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:07 PM   #3159
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Is a HUD necessary for micro PLO? Or a better question might be at what stakes does a hud become necessary? I just started playing PLO and am currently playing $5PL. Not sure if it is worth the money right now.
It's always going to help, no matter what stakes you're at. I'm sure it's possible to beat 2nl without a hud but it will be harder than doing it with one.
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:48 PM   #3160
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Yeah, I hate SSS, its for the 8-game PLO 40bbs CAP game tho
Oh I see. Well I wish I could help, hopefully somebody else will be able to though. Maybe try asking in the HSPLO thread then? Regardless of what stakes you will be playing there is probably a higher chance of finding info there for that situation. Of course you'll just have to adjust some of the strat accordingly for lower stakes villains. GL!
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Old 05-11-2017, 06:50 PM   #3161
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It's always going to help, no matter what stakes you're at. I'm sure it's possible to beat 2nl without a hud but it will be harder than doing it with one.
I figured this would be the advice. I'll probably end up investing in one but think I'll get a decent amount of hands in before doing so. Thanks!
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Old 05-12-2017, 08:01 PM   #3162
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Thanks Crock, I will give it a shot

In regards of HUD: I think that it is very important to have a tracking software to track your own hands, your own stats and analyse your own spots and leaks etc
Displaying HUD is optional, you can beat nl2 without it I think
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Old 05-15-2017, 10:38 AM   #3163
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Anyone playing on Winning/Ignition? Trfying to decide weather to start a little PLO challenge and trying to decide if I should start at PLO25 or PLO50? I've done okay with PLO live and online at PLO50 in the past. Just really trying to focus on learning and building towards a challange where the main motivation will be bank. Spo..

Is there going to be a big difference in skill level between the two levels?
Is rake going to kill me at PLO25 here?
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Old 05-15-2017, 02:46 PM   #3164
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Anyone playing on Winning/Ignition? Trfying to decide weather to start a little PLO challenge and trying to decide if I should start at PLO25 or PLO50? I've done okay with PLO live and online at PLO50 in the past. Just really trying to focus on learning and building towards a challange where the main motivation will be bank. Spo..

Is there going to be a big difference in skill level between the two levels?
Is rake going to kill me at PLO25 here?
I play on Ignition, I'd say start at PLO 25 bc of the rake. PLO 50 was the lowest stake affected by the newesh rake increases. PLO 25 however wasn't affected and is at the top of the rake range for the micros sharing the same structure as PLO 5 and 10.

I can't speak for winning as I don't play there but the general consensus seems to be that WPN has more regs and rake back grinders.
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Old 05-16-2017, 05:54 AM   #3165
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I play on Ignition, I'd say start at PLO 25 bc of the rake. PLO 50 was the lowest stake affected by the newesh rake increases. PLO 25 however wasn't affected and is at the top of the rake range for the micros sharing the same structure as PLO 5 and 10.

I can't speak for winning as I don't play there but the general consensus seems to be that WPN has more regs and rake back grinders.

Thanks. Last time I did a bit of PLO grinding I had thought PLO50 there was way less rake than PLO25. Granted I don't do much research on my own! Thats what 2p2 is for. I should put a little cash on Ignitiion as well.

I kind of like knowing who I'm playing against at WPN. As I said, its not solely for win rate and I am thinking it might be good to battle against some regs and off the tables look at peoples play with PT4. Think that might be best. My real goal here is to build a really solid skillset and eventually bankroll for when we get the Wynn in Boston as I want to be able to play 2/5 PLO fully rolled and its gonna take some time to get there for me.
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Old 05-16-2017, 10:25 AM   #3166
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Thanks. Last time I did a bit of PLO grinding I had thought PLO50 there was way less rake than PLO25. Granted I don't do much research on my own! Thats what 2p2 is for. I should put a little cash on Ignitiion as well.

I kind of like knowing who I'm playing against at WPN. As I said, its not solely for win rate and I am thinking it might be good to battle against some regs and off the tables look at peoples play with PT4. Think that might be best. My real goal here is to build a really solid skillset and eventually bankroll for when we get the Wynn in Boston as I want to be able to play 2/5 PLO fully rolled and its gonna take some time to get there for me.
That sounds like a solid plan. Good luck with live. I've only played a little bit and from my experience the players are lolbad. I'm sure it isn't much different from 1/2 to 2/5 live. Most PLO 25+ regs would probably kill it, only problem is one hand at a time, and about 30 hands per hour. Also most live games (atleast around me) play 9 handed which is weird after playing so much 6 max.
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Old 05-16-2017, 12:44 PM   #3167
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That sounds like a solid plan. Good luck with live. I've only played a little bit and from my experience the players are lolbad. I'm sure it isn't much different from 1/2 to 2/5 live. Most PLO 25+ regs would probably kill it, only problem is one hand at a time, and about 30 hands per hour. Also most live games (atleast around me) play 9 handed which is weird after playing so much 6 max.
yes its a ways off. the casino is just being buil i think summer 2018 it will open. there are other games around but nothing really within 45 minutes so I don't like to be wasting 1.5 hours of my day driving somewhere. i got other **** to do. i just imagine given what I am told is a very solid 2/5 PLO game at Foxwoods and what I know are some very juicy high stakes action at local games the amount of degening that will be going on when this casino first opens is going to be epic. i just want to be there for the fun.

thanks for the response and good luck on ignition!
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:38 PM   #3168
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What should I be studying on a hand review and looking for on my HUD stats
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Old 07-12-2017, 10:58 PM   #3169
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I'm looking at learning PLO and was wondering what everyone's thoughts are on learning it from Upswingpoker's "PLO University" program.
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Old 07-18-2017, 11:23 AM   #3170
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As a hold em player who dabbles a little in omaha, I have a question. Is Omaha more profitable than hold em if you put in the time to learn the game. I played some .10/.25 and just noticed some terrible play. Calling 3 streets with top pair. Overall I feel like hold em has become a tough game to beat. There's so much info on it that popularity for it has grown.

So I'm wondering if its time to transition to Omaha. As someone new to it what should I expect. I trust my poker, and math skills to pick it up quickly. Just wondering if others think my theory is accurate. Also how many buy ins should you have for a proper Omaha bankroll? Thanks
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Old 07-20-2017, 02:48 AM   #3171
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ya PLO is higher variance (bad players can run hot for much longer / harder for them to constantly get their money in super dominated - lots of 60-40 or 65-35 at most) , less solved, less good free content out compared to NL

Bankroll prob 40+bi to be comfortable, if you are playing for a living 100+ bi
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Old 08-04-2017, 04:30 AM   #3172
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The noobiest of questions incoming...

Is it correct to get AAxx AIPF HU for 100bb'? I've been doing so with fairly poor results so it gets me wondering if my other two cards need to have some connectivity or be suited with the ace(s). I do realize the equity of AA in PLO is going to be quite a bit different than in NLHE. Figured I would ask.
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Old 08-09-2017, 12:28 PM   #3173
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The noobiest of questions incoming...

Is it correct to get AAxx AIPF HU for 100bb'? I've been doing so with fairly poor results so it gets me wondering if my other two cards need to have some connectivity or be suited with the ace(s). I do realize the equity of AA in PLO is going to be quite a bit different than in NLHE. Figured I would ask.
without any other details such as your side cards, answer is Yes.
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Old 08-25-2017, 05:30 PM   #3174
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in plo the hot and cold equities run much closer than in holdem. unless you run hot, then you can definitely see the losing side to these "flips" with AAxx for awhile.

that being said, AA all in pre is printing money hu.

multiway is where we see this change.
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Old 08-26-2017, 06:00 AM   #3175
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The noobiest of questions incoming...

Is it correct to get AAxx AIPF HU for 100bb'? I've been doing so with fairly poor results so it gets me wondering if my other two cards need to have some connectivity or be suited with the ace(s). I do realize the equity of AA in PLO is going to be quite a bit different than in NLHE. Figured I would ask.
Assuming you mean 5-betting after facing a 4-bet, or 4-betting with the intent to get it in after facing a 3-bet, it's usually going to be correct and it's almost never going to be a big mistake.

AA72 rainbow has 44.5% against an all-AA range.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AA55.49% 132,787400,256
AsAd7c2h44.51% 66,957400,256

So against a nit's 4-bet after you 3-bet from 3.5 -> 12, risking 88 (100-12) to win 201.5 (100+100+blinds) you need 43.7%. Terrible rake makes it a slight mistake.

Throw in any kind of suit, however, and your AA already gets a lot better.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AA51.67% 125,560368,911
AsAd8h4h48.33% 105,529368,911

There are probably some scenarios where you can refuse to 4-bet or 5-bet bad AA, but erring towards always stacking off won't be a leak. PLO has lots of variance, and of course any flip for stacks will run into that, but that applies to all sorts of spots.
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