It is best to just limp 100%, that way you don't get any awkward 3bet situations and can use your post flop edge to out maneuver any fish.

There's a big soft omaha game local to me (it's 2/5 but plays more like 5/10, 10/20). I've only played a couple of thousand hands of omaha lifetime. I was a midstakes NLHE pro until 2010-ish before I moved into doing other things. Have played little poker since but I'm getting the itch to play again.

What's the best route to picking up the game? Books/sites/videos that people would recommend? Currently downloading propokertools, is there any other software that people would recommend?

Just wondering too where is a good site to play on? I haven't played online in years so no idea of where's good!

i hear stars is good

Hi there,

I've just started playing Omaha for play money on stars, really interested in learning a bit more about the game! I've played around 200k hands of microstakes NLFR for a win rate of 4bb/100 (mostly 5nl)

I just had two questions -

* Because you have to use exactly two of your cards in omaha if you make a pair does that mean you use your next highest hole card as the kicker?
* If you hold a hand like TJ for the nut straight and the board pairs one of your straight hole cards does that counterfeit your straight (I'm thinking no but just wanted to check)
* Does the fact that you have to use exactly two of your hole cards mean that 4 flush/4 Straight boards are less dangerous for your sets/two pairs? ie in holdem you generally shut down if the villain shows aggression on that sort of board texture.

What are the major adjustments for a NL player making the transition to Omaha? I've played 30/28 over my last 50k hands and open raised any two cards from the Cut off and button, (Full ring zoom) I'm thinking I'll have to tighten up alot?

Thanks for any responses!

1. Yes
2. Counterfeit in what sense? If you have JTxx on Q98, for example, if the turn is a T, now KJxx is a straight and a lot of other hands now have a straight. But you still have a straight.
3. A flush in PLO on a four-of-a-suit board is rarer than a flush on such a board in NLHE. On straight boards, it's generally the opposite. For example, a board like [JT9][8] absolutely smashes stuff in PLO. Check this out:

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation

600,000 trials (Randomized)

board: JT982

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
100%	42.78%	256,704	0
JJ!(KQ,QJ,QT,Q9,Q8,J7,T7,97,87,76)	57.22%	343,296	0

What that means is ~43% of random hands (not even just hands that can realistically get to the river) beat top set there. (The exclamation point is to exclude combos that have a straight.) In NLHE that is more like 32%.

One big difference between NLHE and PLO is that two-card combinations are a lot more highly represented in PLO than their NLHE equivalents, because you have four cards to get them. For instance JTxx on a Q98 board is part of over 10% of hands that are top-30% preflop, compared to less than 5% in NLHE. So the relevant point is that "Oh I only lose to a few combos" type thinking is less effective.

^^^ Thanks so much for taking the time to answer all of this, very helpful

Hello,

I want to start dabbling in micro-streets on PLO while I play a full-time schedule for MTT's.

I just really enjoy PLO and the speed of the game. I want to improve though. Where would I get the best information on handling PLO at micros and improving over time? Is there a training site dedicated to the game for micro players? General population tends? Etc?


Thanks guys! Will pay for assistance to get these materials as well.

Hi,

Very new to poker, even newer to PLO. I have a couple hands id like to share, and am hoping to get some feedback. I fully expect to be told i am trash, but any help is appreciated.

888 Poker - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 323.7 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
Hero (BTN): 131.8 BB
SB: 135.3 BB (VPIP: 64.00, PFR: 36.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
BB: 117.1 BB (VPIP: 52.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)
UTG: 104.5 BB (VPIP: 27.27, PFR: 18.18, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 11)
MP: 101.5 BB (VPIP: 62.96, PFR: 40.74, 3Bet Preflop: 27.27, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A 5 8 4

fold, fold, CO raises to 2.2 BB, Hero calls 2.2 BB, SB calls 1.7 BB, BB calls 1.2 BB

Flop: (8.8 BB, 4 players) 8 A 3
SB checks, BB checks, CO bets 6.6 BB, Hero raises to 23.1 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 16.5 BB

Turn: (55 BB, 2 players) 9
CO checks, Hero bets 30.5 BB, CO calls 30.5 BB

River: (116 BB, 2 players) 6
CO checks, Hero bets 76 BB and is all-in, fold

Hero wins 110.2 BB

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How did i play this hand? Did i represent trips, or am i just lucky to not have been called. It turned out the villian had A9 as well.

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888 Poker - $0.10 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 281.7 BB (VPIP: 22.45, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 8.00, Hands: 49)
Hero (BB): 164.7 BB
UTG: 91.3 BB (VPIP: 60.00, PFR: 26.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)
CO: 100 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 36)
BTN: 198.8 BB (VPIP: 63.46, PFR: 42.31, 3Bet Preflop: 25.00, Hands: 52)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 5 Q 7 7

UTG raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 2.5 BB

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) 3 9 6
Hero checks, UTG checks

Turn: (7.5 BB, 2 players) J
Hero bets 3.7 BB, UTG calls 3.7 BB

River: (14.9 BB, 2 players) 2
Hero checks, UTG checks

Hero shows 5 Q 7 7 (One Pair, Sevens)
(Pre 48%, Flop 41%, Turn 23%)
UTG shows 8 Q K 9 (One Pair, Nines)
(Pre 52%, Flop 59%, Turn 78%)
UTG wins 14.2 BB

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This was pretty awful I can even tell. What should i be doing in this situation? I was trying to represent a Pair of Jacks, but i think my bet sizing was way off is that correct?

____

Again, any help appreciated. Just trying to get better by playing and reviewing hands, as well as a little reading.

H1: In PLO, an ace by itself doesn't give you a playable starting hand when it's not suited. Something like A762 is a bottom-20% hand. This hand is a bit better than that, but still bottom-50% and not good enough to flat pre here.

The river shove is turning your hand into a bluff; worse isn't calling. The flop and turn is already veering into too thin, because it's a dry A-high flop where you are raising a c-bet in four-way pot with two people still behind. Nearly all the time you get significant action it's going to be by A8+.

H2: Trying to rep Jx specifically instead of a typical range of good hands seems unnecessarily fancy. You have sets, you have two pair, you have strong draws, you have good one-pair + draw hybrids. Your decision itself isn't terrible, though; it's probably the case that checking and betting (any amount) are all close-ish in EV.

Thanks. Did some reading last night and realized I have been playing too loose, and need to be a little more selective with my starting hands. Looking forward to getting into it again


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Hi guys,

I've played around 2k hands PLO now and am basically doing the following -

+ focusing almost exclusively on value betting, rarely bluffing
+ Playing very tightly in ep and from the blinds
+ Opening up on the button
+ Raising limpers when in position

To me it looks like anything less than top two pair is basically toast when it faces heavy action so I've basically been set mining alot and playing my monster hands very fast, I find there's always alot of action from worse hands/terrible draws.

Really enjoying PLO but just wanted to see if anyone has any feedback for all the above?

Thanks

I usually buy-in for $200 at 2/2 plo.

new casino has 1/2 plo with $5 bring in.
Whats a good buy-in for that?

Hello:
When i put a hand in the PPT , in the part of "rank" when appears Average http://prntscr.com/ee9suu this means is my top 5% of my range for example in 6h tables?. And What is the syntax to use the Top 20% less the Top 5% for a hand?

20%!5%

PokerStars - $0.50 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 152.56 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 15.38, 3Bet Preflop: 7.14, Hands: 40)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 26.71, PFR: 17.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.35, Hands: 148)
BB: 206.54 BB (VPIP: 20.80, PFR: 13.87, 3Bet Preflop: 4.55, Hands: 279)
Hero (UTG): 805.32 BB
MP: 156.92 BB (VPIP: 30.10, PFR: 16.72, 3Bet Preflop: 1.55, Hands: 307)
CO: 192.64 BB (VPIP: 12.37, PFR: 5.15, 3Bet Preflop: 2.27, Hands: 98)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kh Kd 3c 2d
Hero raises to 3.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 3.5 BB, fold, fold

Flop : (8.5 BB, 2 players) Jc Jd 3s
Hero bets 2.02 BB, BTN raises to 6 BB, Hero calls 3.98 BB

Turn : (20.5 BB, 2 players) 2h
Hero checks, BTN bets 8.5 BB, fold

BTN wins 19.48 BB

Made a nitty fold on the turn against a reg against whom I have <300 hands vs and appears solid (i.e. not crazy aggro). My thinking was I'd call any Jxxx, AAxx (and decide river depending on bet size) have no turn raises. Just wanna know if this is a ridiculously exploitable fold and i should call like QQxx+,TTxx+....... or is it OK?

(Also didnt think my FH blockers counted for much given ranges)

@AA suited Depends on style, if you're comfortable post buy in for as much as you can, else 50BB is fine but you'll want to make adjstments with the hands you choose to play (play less run down type hands and more high card type hands)

Hi everyone,

I'm plugging away at leaks (EV rate curently -10/100). I think I may have found a big leak, but I am not sure:

My "Check/Fold Turn" Percentage is 65% . Isn't this ridiculously high?

I thought perhaps this could indicate I amseeing too many turns, however my "Seen Turn" pecentage is only 23%.

Any insight would be much appreciated .

Is "Pot-Limit Omaha Poker" by Jeff Hwang still a good resource for someone wanting to learn how to play PLO effectively?

depends on how many hands you've seen? If its substantial one then it means you are entering too many pots OOP and calling or betting flop and giving up on turn.

30K hand sample. Thanks for the help. I'll try to stop building pots OOP that I fold OTT.

How much bb/100 is the rake at micro stakes PLO ($2/$5 buy-in levels)? How easy is it to beat those games and is it worth it for me to get into those games as a somewhat experienced hold'em player, just because play is so bad in PLO or is the rake simply much higher?

I mean if you've never played plo I'd suggest just playing lower to get some hands in, even if it's unbeatable. Much easier to make a bunch of $5 mistakes if it saves you a $200+ mistake.

But if I wanted to build a roll starting out on the lowest stakes and climbing my way up, would that be easily achievable if I put in the hours of study?

This book is helpful/relevant if you're just starting out or have never played PLO before. It helps with the fundamentals, and it is a good reference material to have for new/inexperienced players.

Hope that helps. glgl