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07-08-2016 , 03:46 AM
Does anyone know of any good videos that focus on maximally exploiting really soft games? I have watched DJ Sensei's ghost videos already which were helpful in this regard. I also have watched a lot of runitonce videos, but they are heavily focused on tougher games that don't resemble the games I play in. Ideally, I would like to find some fast-paced live action vids where a strong exploitive player crushes soft games.
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07-14-2016 , 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Unguarded
Does anyone know of any good videos that focus on maximally exploiting really soft games? I have watched DJ Sensei's ghost videos already which were helpful in this regard. I also have watched a lot of runitonce videos, but they are heavily focused on tougher games that don't resemble the games I play in. Ideally, I would like to find some fast-paced live action vids where a strong exploitive player crushes soft games.
For really good online exploitative play, leszek on runitonce essential is honestly really good if you play online a lot. For live games it's a much simpler question and that would literally take a 10 minute conversation from me in person to tell you how to crush the games
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07-18-2016 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SolarAU
For really good online exploitative play, leszek on runitonce essential is honestly really good if you play online a lot. For live games it's a much simpler question and that would literally take a 10 minute conversation from me in person to tell you how to crush the games
Thank you! I have been watching his vids based on your advice and they are indeed quite good. Fwiw, the games I play in are Bovada spewfests and live limpfests. So basically trying to boost my expected winrate from ridic to more ridic.
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07-24-2016 , 10:13 AM
Hey guys,

I want to post 4 or 5 hands somewhere in the forum for advice. They are some common PLO8 = situations I come across and need clarity about. But there is a 2 post limit and I have posts still at the top of the forum.

How do you recommend I go about having them looked at? I know posting more than one hand in a thread is kind of crappy for commenters. Any thoughts?

I also, know there is a lot of information around 2+2 (no need to quote this), but it's very diffcult for me to associate how I play to posts from others. Yes, sifting through the tonnes of informaiton will help for sure, but like all low stakes players this challenge is a big one and quite daunting.

Also, they are tourney hands I played and my style of play, so someone relating simple advice from how I played my hands goes much furher with my ability at this point in time.

Thanks.
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07-24-2016 , 01:37 PM
If I have an Omaha situation to post, but the game was actually double-flop PL Omaha, which forum should I see? "Other poker"? Or SSPLO?
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07-26-2016 , 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 7th Lion
Since this topic is not something what is worth making a thread on and at the same time it answers the question of MANY beginner to semi-advanced players, the best place to throw this post is here.

Q: Is micro-stakes PLO ZOOM beatable?

A: Yes , it is. With very recent/up to date time (since 1.8.2015) , here is a graph of me (SN 7th Lion) having played 94K hands at PLO25z , the highest stake in micro-stakes group.


EV 8.75bb/100

(I WISH I WILL NEVER SEE YOU AGAIN , PLO25. SHOT TAKE PLO50 FOR LIKE 6TH TIME )

Have a nice day
This is impressive. You have to be a very tought player.

I can't beat for a decent winrate zoom. I have 8bb ev on plo25 but just regular tables.
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08-06-2016 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by LordRiverRat
I'm sure this has been asked a million times but what's a good red line for PLO zoom?
Here's a redline for you, plo5z and 10z, 50/50
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09-02-2016 , 03:56 AM
When the board pairs is it always a full house? lol
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09-04-2016 , 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by fakekidpoker
When the board pairs is it always a full house? lol
No
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09-04-2016 , 11:14 PM
Hey guys just wondering if this threads advice is some what outdated and where should complete beginner of PLO with millions of hands of NL begin?
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09-04-2016 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 7th Lion
i started PLO in february this year with some money savings after i switched from NLHE , so i practically had no job and was sitting at home, focusing on PLO only. Couldnt call myself an online plo pro untill august since i was learning and losing
What was your learning process? Like where did you begin with no knowledge?
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10-10-2016 , 12:41 AM
I just started playing PLO. I play very low stakes online when I'm bored more or less for fun, but I have been playing live a lot because these games are literally gold mines. I'm certainly no pro, but I have a good idea of the basics and fundamentals, and can out-play the average live drooler. My question is this - I played in a 1-3 PLO game tonight at the sands in PA, and there were at least 2 people at the table who did absolutely nothing other than pot it preflop, EVERY SINGLE HAND, and then the other one would repot, also every single hand. Now this may sound like a smart players wet dream but in reality, I found myself in a ton of tough spots and in a very high variance session, even more so than PLO is known for. At first my strategy was simply to tighten up considerably, limp with all my great hands, and then when these idiots would pot and repot, I could safely get it in pre without worrying about being at an equity disadvantage. From an EV standpoint, I was doing well and I continuously got it in with the best hand, 9 times out of 10 preflop, and sometimes post flop. The last hand I played I had Ace/King/10/9 double suited. I limped in UTG, 2 others limped, one of the droolers potted, drooler # 2 repotted, and when it got back to me I repotted. I started with a $400 stack, and half of it went in preflop. The flop came down 3/5/10 all hearts, giving me the nut flush. I shoved and he snap calls. Turn comes a King, and the river is the 7 of hearts, completing this guys straight flush draw. I know I did nothing wrong, and this is turning into a bad beat story, but I guess my question is - was my strategy correct? Is this the proper way to deal with live PLO droolers simply looking to play a poker variation of bingo where they just put all their chips in preflop and hope to have the winning hand? I mean I witnessed these two guys go through 4-5 k each in a matter of 4-5 hours at a 500 max buy in PLO game, and at no point did they alter their strategy in any way, they just got all their chips in, or as many as they could preflop, then jammed post flop regardless of their hand, rinse and repeat. So was my strategy correct, and if not why and what else could I have done? If this was a holdem table I would simply change tables, but with PLO a lot of the time it is difficult to find any live game going at all, so table change is not an option. I know as a poker player our best hope is to get our money in good, but because equities run so close in PLO, simply getting it in every time I have a hand that figures to be better than the garbage theyre pushing with is going to result in some seriously crazy swings which I am not comfortable with. I really love playing PLO and just want to know what to do the next time I encounter this. Sorry for the wall of text.
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10-11-2016 , 11:20 AM
You got it in with probably 95% and you typed a wall of text to ask if you played it right?
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10-11-2016 , 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Ankimo
You got it in with probably 95% and you typed a wall of text to ask if you played it right?
No, I know I played that hand right. I was just using it as an example of how high the variance and swings become when you play the way I was playing. That is why I am asking if my strategy is correct i.e. continuously potting and repotting with premium hands against a player or players at a low stakes plo table who will just put all their money in preflop as a relative short stack every hand. If that is correct then I feel like I am just flipping coins all night, since equity is so close preflop in plo.
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10-19-2016 , 09:15 AM
NL50 reg learning PLO here.

I have two specific hands and a few general questions.

Is this a standard stackoff? I guess so as according to PPT we have ~50% equity against AAJT with the NFD and ~45% equity against AQJT w/FD, plus we block the only hand that really crushes us (I think).

Also, should I just fold pre rather than play this OOP? I was basically playing it to nutpeddle.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.51
Hero (SB): $11.45
BB: $18.83
UTG: $5.52
MP: $10.00
CO: $10.57

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 9 T K 9
3 folds, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) 8 9 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.86, Hero raises to $3.25, BB raises to $10.61, Hero raises to $11.05 all in, BB calls $0.44


I know that we rarely want to be slowplaying in Omaha, but is this turn a spot where checking is in order when we turn basically the nuts?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $11.53
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.37
CO: $13.65

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A Q Q 8
UTG raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.75) 7 Q 5 (5 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds, MP folds, BTN folds

Turn: ($4.75) 5 (2 players)


=== General questions ===

KK72r UTG - do you open this or just fold it?

How much does having three to a suit affect the quality of a hand? Just how much worse is 9875 with three clubs than two?

What sort of % of hands are you defending the BB with? It should be more than NL because equities are so close, but should be less because position and nuttiness are so important. My instinct is that it's less.

How often are you folding to 3bets IP on average?
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10-23-2016 , 08:52 AM
Hi I am only new to online poker and have been playing for about 2 months but have pretty decent results at nl2 and nl5 but not spectacular. I was thinking of switching to PLO and make that my primary game and start playing PLO2 as nl is kind of dying out. But I have heard that with the rake under PLO25 the games are very hard to beat with extreme varience. Should I start with PLO now or stick with no limit and wait until I have the bankroll to play PLO25 or PLO50 and learn PLO then?
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11-04-2016 , 08:31 AM
Are the Hwang books still good/relevant?
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11-10-2016 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by 3quilibrium
NL50 reg learning PLO here.

I have two specific hands and a few general questions.

Is this a standard stackoff? I guess so as according to PPT we have ~50% equity against AAJT with the NFD and ~45% equity against AQJT w/FD, plus we block the only hand that really crushes us (I think).

Also, should I just fold pre rather than play this OOP? I was basically playing it to nutpeddle.

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $2.51
Hero (SB): $11.45
BB: $18.83
UTG: $5.52
MP: $10.00
CO: $10.57

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with 9 T K 9
3 folds, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.90) 8 9 K (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $0.86, Hero raises to $3.25, BB raises to $10.61, Hero raises to $11.05 all in, BB calls $0.44


I know that we rarely want to be slowplaying in Omaha, but is this turn a spot where checking is in order when we turn basically the nuts?

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 6 players
DeucesCracked Poker Videos Hand History Converter

BTN: $11.53
Hero (SB): $10.00
BB: $10.00
UTG: $10.00
MP: $10.37
CO: $13.65

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A Q Q 8
UTG raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.75) 7 Q 5 (5 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BB calls $1.50, UTG folds, MP folds, BTN folds

Turn: ($4.75) 5 (2 players)


=== General questions ===

KK72r UTG - do you open this or just fold it?

How much does having three to a suit affect the quality of a hand? Just how much worse is 9875 with three clubs than two?

What sort of % of hands are you defending the BB with? It should be more than NL because equities are so close, but should be less because position and nuttiness are so important. My instinct is that it's less.

How often are you folding to 3bets IP on average?
H1-I think the call pre is fine and overall wp hand.

H2- I'm betting that turn 1/2 potish. Hope a flush draw comes along or better yet has a worse full house.

BB defend typically defend at a much higher frequency then nlh to a single raiser no other callers. If its multiway I tend to come along with nuttier hands from the BB.

I open all KKs, not sure if that's correct.

Still getting into PLO myself but those are my general thoughts.
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11-20-2016 , 08:26 PM
I just need some advice about how to act in the sb when it gets passed around. Do we ever limp call or limp raise? With what kind of range? We're open raising a very small range I'm pretty sure about that and against most players practically never open raise as a steal attempt.
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11-21-2016 , 05:50 AM
how can we suck in this damn play?? iìve play 21k hand a micro.. results ev 9bb ..in real 3bb .. lol
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11-22-2016 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by lOlivepokeher
No, I know I played that hand right. I was just using it as an example of how high the variance and swings become when you play the way I was playing. That is why I am asking if my strategy is correct i.e. continuously potting and repotting with premium hands against a player or players at a low stakes plo table who will just put all their money in preflop as a relative short stack every hand. If that is correct then I feel like I am just flipping coins all night, since equity is so close preflop in plo.


Yeah that is what happens with super aggressive players, variance will increase by a lot but they are really profitable to play against. If you can just sit and wait for good hands and still get customers when you pick them what's there not to like.

Adjustments I would make is play alot tighter pre and wider post (and close my eyes). Plus make sure I play very much within my roll.

When you get deep I would highly suggest you either leave or be damned sure about your postflop play and reads. Playing against hyper aggression deep is stuff.
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12-02-2016 , 07:57 AM
anyone have any ideas of how to minimize your rake attribution in PLO zoom ? :/

seems so high the rake I'm paying I wonder if there is any way to decrease it
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12-05-2016 , 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Gillingham
anyone have any ideas of how to minimize your rake attribution in PLO zoom ? :/

seems so high the rake I'm paying I wonder if there is any way to decrease it
dont play on Stars, try unibet.
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12-06-2016 , 11:22 AM
How much should i value a an ace blocker?

IE: If i raise on the button with Axxx and a tight player 3 bets me from the bb. What does my XXX range be to flat call?
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12-08-2016 , 05:17 PM
I'm an American PLO8/NLO8 MTT player. I will soon be moving to Mexico and be able to play Poker Stars and the bigger sites but cannot log on to any of the bigger site's clients obv to check out the MTT lineup for the PLO8/NLO8 games. Can anybody take a screenshot of whats available or at least tell me how i can get this info. Tried contacting customer service and received no help. I would owe you a future solid. Please help!!
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