Hi guys, thanx for doing this.

What would be a normal standard deviation for a solid PLO regular at the low stake? Would that be higher when you move to the midstake? I know this would be dependant on game condition/your playstyle but just to get some general idea.

I've grinded like 10k hands at PLO 5 and my standard deviation is ~65BB, which is like 1.5x my NLHE standard deviation. Sounds normal yeah ?

Hey guys,

I'm in sort of a unique situation for wanting to learn PLO quickly. I grind 2/5nl live and one of the casinos I frequent has been spreading a 5-5 PLO game lately(500 min-uncapped). All of the fish have been choosing this game over the NL game, and there are 2 in particular that everyone wants to play with (super rich, play every hand in NL etc).

I've never learned PLO unfortunately but I feel like I should be playing in this game since there's so much money being thrown around and no solid players that ever show up. What is recommended that I should do to learn a decent way to just play tight in this game? Unfortunately I can't play online so no option to actually practice the game.

Learn a solid starting hand range and try to hold on to it rigorously. Once u get the hang of it, u can open up from late position.

Overvaluing one pair hands is a pretty std NLHE convert leak, u can always tell when they can't fold an overpair postflop, etc.

gl

Can you tell us abut "solid starting hand range"? I want to build my own starting hand chart (because there is none avilable). I know PLO is a postflop game but I think I have preflop leaks. Thus, I am planning to build my own SHC (using PPT).

This is my plan for my "open raise range" :

PLO Hi Short Handed:
MP2: 8%
MP3: 14%
CO: 22%
BU: 35%
SB: 8%


Of course this is not static and will adjust to my opponents. For example, from BU and SB I'll open wider if player after me is/are weak tight. Any comments?

That looks ok, a tad nitty but it's fine to start with. Tbh, I think I have pretty much the same ranges from UTG/UTG+1. It's more important to think about playability than raw equity. AsKTxs>>>>>AKTsxs and JT97>>>>>J987, for example, eventhough they're virtually the same preflop. Nutty drawing hands like KKxx play well multiways, but poorly in 3bet pots given it flops a set or air, nothing in between.

I've played about 7,500 hands now in my first couple of weeks PLO. I've played from PLO2 to PLO 25.

I started off with good intentions to study and learn.
I am always table selecting for the loosest I have just turned into a mindless nut peddling nit it seems because of these loose tables (apart from when a maniac comes along then I call down or shove lighter).

Is this inevitable where nearly every flop is multiway and the rake is high or is there another way to approach these tables?

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Merge PLO is unbelievably easy at the micros, not sure about ss. Traffic is decent up to .5/1, and ok at nights at 1/2.

How do u deal with super hyper aggression in live games? I have a couple of players who will put pre almost 50% of the hands...I usually sit down 200bb deep, and I bleed trying to see flops...I know the easy answer is to 3bet, but they never fold...what range do i 3bet IP/OP? what range do I open/raise IP/OP?
Example, I limp raised AAJ9sssh, got called with J753hhdd...running it in an equity calculator we are only 58% ahead...is he doing the right thing by raising 50% of the hands and never folding?

IMO, if you don't like 58% equity...... don't play PLO

it's not that i dont like 58%, it's just I play a stack size that's semi deep...and in the same time not too deep to see many flops

"Realise equity"

What does it mean?

It basically means you don't want to get pushed out of the pot having a good chunk of equity with a marginal hand.

I just starting playing week ago and im falling in love with this game. At the micro level some people cant fold pocket aces with a draw heavy board they didnt hit...It's so easy to get paid off with top or middle nut you just have to learn to control the pot size when you are chasing or have a weak set, straight etc....NLHE is boring as hell compared to this game.

True dat.

What u think about 5CARD PLO ?
My opinion after last week (about 4h played) :
1. u can find 5card PLO at entrat
2. at micro/small u can find more tables 5card then 4card
3. u cant use hud
4. u can run equity=> propokertools
5. dunno about regs/fish or beatable (but have 3 same players on all tables)

I'm going through bugs PLO guide. One thing I am confused about at the moment. He advises playing simple ABC on 8 tables at a time to grind up a bankroll and not focusing on reads (better hourly but smaller winrate), but elsewhere in his series mentions that having reads on opponents' postflop play (especially fit or fold), affects strategy and is important often, such as 3betting preflop. Maybe I should infer that he assumes fit or fold styles based on HUD stats, although at the same time you can't get a good sample at microstakes because you don't meet the same players much. What am I missing?

Well, grinding a BR by 8-tabling ABC-style in the micros is a good plan as such, but first u need to know how to play ABC. Don't go off mass-tabling before you're confident about your game, you'll end up making mistakes and not learning anything from them due to time constraints.

yeah i agree with ggarj, definitely just stick to 8 if you are just beginning and dont try mass tabling

my mouse is hovering towards the "one-touch ban and clean"...

Do it if my questions are that stupid I'll not come back until I know better.

nonononooooo... was referring to that troll Eskimo, just kidding

I was sincere with my answer above.

What do people think about playing Omaha and Holdem interchangeably, say at the $25 level? (I'm talking about playing Holdem on some nights while playing Omaha on others. I don't mean multi-tabling different flavours at the same time.)

I do this for the sake of variety, but feel that mixing the games is not optimal for learning Omaha. Basically, if I sit down at an Omaha table, it always takes me a bit of time to get NLHE patterns out of my system, that being my main game for a year or so.

I came to the conclusion that learning Omaha, at least for me, requires a full-time switch (at least for a couple of months) to Omaha-only play. Any opinions on this?

I asked the some question on other forum and a prominent player/coach said that's it's not good way to learn. At least do it per week (one week plo, next week HE. But it still limit our improvement) until we have good understanding of the game. For experience players it's not a problem.

I'm a beginner, and from my experience his advice is very true. Every time I switch game, I need some time to adjust my brain

I have, in the last few days had the decision to retire made for me ...
so my sometime hobby is ,if I can swing it ,now going to provide a small income as well
was surprised to see my paltry 4.5k PLO5 hands (on stars) on this site,,(at least I'm winning for now)

to the question.. should I move up to PLO10 as soon as my BR permits..?
It is my intention to move up as soon as I think I can swing it
how long I will be able to play each day and therfore total hands will become clearer this month..

Rakeback is an issue I think. .
which sites that offer rakeback have the largest player pool..?