Why would you want to have him slow down if your read is that he will barrel three streets very wide? I'd play it the same and try to give him as much rope as possible so that I can call of his bluffs.. By C/R I think you just keep the top of his range in the hand, also I don't think you really rep any draws if you CR turn.

Hand 1:

Limper is 24/4/3, but just 25 hands. CO if completely unknown (Zoom table)

Wanted to build the pot pre as I have the BTN. After the weird raises I figured the limper might fold to a 5-bet if he doesn't have aces, CO will obv call given the odds. Also figured their LRR-ranges most likely consist of high cards, so my low cards should have decent equity if the pot is a 3-way AI even though I'm not the favorite. If the initial limper folds there will also be some nice dead money in the pot. Is this OK?





Hand 2:

Villain is completely unknown. Is it OK to raise flop here? I don't like calling with a low FD. When he raises I get confused. My plan was to gii on a non-scary turn card, but maybe shipping is better? I guess I figured if he checks turn I could even get him to fold some hands.




Hand 3.

Note that we are over 250bb deep.

Deep stack is 20/13/2.8 over 32 hands. Shortie is 25713/5 with a 7% 3bet over 200 hands.

Wasn't really sure what to do PF. I clicked it back thinking that it would put pressure on the deep stack, granted he will call unless he has a very bluffy hand, still he must realize that the shortie can now re-pop and I can then jam most of my stack in and freeze him out. Dunno if thats so good. If I just pot it the stacks will be quite awkward for me if I hit a bad flop.

OTF I elected to flat the shorties jam, figured it looks real weak and the deep stack can try to raise to get it HU with shortie. With AA+NFD I'm happy to get it in and think I crush most of my opponents range, but I want to give him the chance to bluff. What do you think? I'm especially interested in comments about pre-flop as I'm not sure if I butchered the hand there.



TY in advance for any helpful comments

hand 1: wp, just remember not to play hands like this in early position too often.

hand 2: fine again, u have enough equity against the naked nuts. flatting flop is also an option. pre I wouldn't hate an iso 3bet, fwiw, as u can also call a 4bet if it comes to that

hand 3: I think it's fine to just flat the 3bet pre, shorties at these stakes aren't good enough to recognize these spots to shove at a high frequency. See a flop and play some poker. OTF I think it's best to just jam on top of the shorty, u don't really like CO peeling as there's a bunch of awkward turns.

I'm OTB Why shouldn't we play this EP thouhg? I mean its has a one gapper, but even that is from the lower end and the hand is double suited.

2&3, I like all your comments. I really want to start 3betting more and Hand 2. sounds like a good candidate. Hand 3, I think I turn it face-up when I click it back, and you are right that there is already a stack in the pot on the flop so I should just try to pick it up.. guess I got a bit greedy.

yea, I did see u were OTB, just figured I'd point out it's not strong enough EP. At micros most pots are multiways OTF, and the lower end of the deck plays poorly there.

Thanks, that clarified it. I do have to respectfully disagree though, I mean the implied odds are through the roof with the opponents I play with - and if the flop comes like KKT I'd just C/F against a weak player (they'd call with 99 anyway) and most likely stab for 1/2 pot HU against a reg. Getting pretty good at dumping the idiot end of straights too..

Hehe, I'm not saying you can't make it work, but keep track of your winrate EP with such combos to make sure

I'm concerned about what my graph looks like. I've got a decent sample size and I'm noticing some trends that I'm not sure about. That is the obviously the downward trajectory of my red line. On top of that, I'm not sure how to isolate hands or create a report to figure out where I'm going wrong. Lil help please.

A positive red line is achieved through playing against opponents who fold too much, this is the complete opposite of what goes on at microstakes

Concentrate on maximizing value for your big hands and exploiting your opponents weaknesses, red line is something to fret about when you move to ~PLO100+

Hand 1:
Should I bet flop multiway here, both players are bad. Is it too thin to pick up a bluff on the river? Villain being so aggro I'd expect him to fire trips on the turn, I'd also expect him to bet smaller if he did make a boat on the river - but with these 65/53 players its ofc silly to assume they'd behave logically

SB is 41/19/2 28 hands
BB is 65/53/4 with a 3bet of 40. 56 hands






Hand 2:

I get a bit confused when I get CR'd in blidns vs steal positions with TP-type hands. Is it OK to call flop, can I call the turn jam? PPT shows me that I have 35% equity if I'm up against a naked straight. Villain is 55/23/2.3 with a 3bet of 0 over 71 hands - so I assume he could have some random hands too.

hand 1: bet like 20c OTF, you'll get some info and a tiny bit of value from worse aces. Turns are gonna open up a bunch of draws and you prefer avoiding that with this hand.

hand 2: calling the flop c/r is fine with such strong backdoors, you have nice equity vs AT. turn is w/e, unlucky

TY GGRJ I like the idea of a tiny bet in hand 1. I try to play as exploitative as possible against weak players anyway, no reason to balance so I'll just make it big with the nuts.

Don't know if its been discussed here before, but the rake seems to vary a lot at the Micros. PS takes a smaller percentage for the smallest stakes, 3.5% at PLO5 and 4.15% at PLO5 (4.5% for all higher stakes), FTP takes 1 cent/ 20 cents in the pot and Ipoker 1 cent / 15 cents in the pot. Dunno how much that has effect in practise, i.e if you take down a $.35 pot in FTP I guess they only charge 1 cent while PS would take 3.5% i.e. 1.05 cents even though the percentage is lower.

So if I calculated correctly 1 per 15 would be 6.7%, and 1 per 20 is 5%. So the rake percentage between the lowest stakes at PS (PLO2) and Ipoker (PLO4) is almost twice as high.

Rake caps:
PLO5: For PS its $1 , FTP its $2 and for Ipoker PLO4 its $1. Guess the higher cap on FTP doesn't make a difference for PLO5 as you'd need a $20 pot to cap it at the other sites and those are quite rare. For PLO25 players this could be of importance though, as FTP and Ipoker caps it at 50% higher than PS and pots over $40 should be fairly standard so without a decent rakeback deal PS would be a lot cheaper.

PLO10: PS $1.50, FTP $2, Ipoker $2

PLO25: PS $2 FTP $3, Ipoker $3 (PLO20)

For higher stakes it seemed to be capped at $3, except at PS where it is $2.50 for PLO50 $2.80 up to 3/6 and then capped at $3.

Yeah, I know - I'm quite stingy Comparing rakes at these levels. I'm just passing through the limits, but was curious. Also FTP emailed me about a $20 bonus, I've always ignored those tiny offers but might take them up on it since I remember liking the software... Guess it only takes $50 in rake to clear it. Also PS doesn't show the hand strength and I misread the board twice today for stacks

Edit: checked that for PLO20 and above its 5% on Ipoker too, for some reason they just feel the need to rape the PLO10 and below limits with the 6.7% rake.

Hand 1:
SB 25/10/0.7 over 20 hands.
BB 29/21/3.3 with a 3bet of 4% over 500 hands. (3.5% in the BB)

These spots always confuse me. I mean his range should be quite strong, so I don't see a point in 4betting. I think I still have a very nice spot to call IP.

With the NFD+pair I figured I'd jam and hopefully get naked aces to fold. Is it OK? Guess I'm even a small favorite against just aces, so I don't mind horribly if he calls.




Hand 2:

Villain is 18/12/2.6 over 345 hands, and he is probably a bit annoyed at me since I think I just took two stacks from him.

PF, is it better to iso with this hand or flat? I'm kind of worried that he'd ship light over me given we have had a fairly aggro dynamic. Even though the rest of the remaining players aren't particularly weak (fairly reggish stats) I guess this hand has a lot of potential multiway.

OTF I don't get the point of his minbet, so I raise as I don't want to give cheap cards. Guess our hand could already be best and we have a ton of equity.

Should I check back the turn? Figured I might get him to fold if I bet, but I would really hate if he C/R'd me forcing me to fold. Maybe I should just take the card?

OTR his shove makes me want to puke, but it also means he would have had to call with ATxx and if he really had something strong like AKJT then I doubt he would have limped PF and would at least had tried to get it in OTF. Since there weren't any draws on the flop I don't see how his AT hands could get to the river. Also given how I figured he might be a bit mad at me I thought he is more prone to try to steal pots, so I called. Would this be a fold readless? I mean is anyone jamming sets or similar for value here? Would be a weird spot to bluff too, especially OOP.

Anyone find a fold here?

Its Zoom PLO5

I'm not sure if its a bad beat or I played it bad.

BOT,

h1: wp.

h2: Pre is perfect, but the dinky half-pot flop raise is too small. As a follow-up, pot > check > 2/3rd pot, probably. Villain's river range should be a lot more ATxx-heavy than you think (rarely much less than 25% overall) and not too T9xx-heavy (rarely much more than 5% overall). Treat the minbet as a "power check".

I don't think we are reading the HH the same way.


Mintberry Crunch, wp. You can 3-bet this against a ~50 bb stack if the blinds won't coldcall too often.

So I deposited $20 on WPN a few weeks ago just to test it out and see if I like their software. I ran it up to about $72 so far, which is nice. Today I installed HM2 and finally got to take a look at my stats and see exactly how I am doing in each stake(2NL, 5NL, and $1-$2 SnGs).

I see that I've made about $12 playing SnG's and I have lost $5 playing cash. This doesn't add up. I am confused since I've only claimed $5 in the initial deposit bonus so far.

Turns out I only was tracking NLHE hands. I've played about 1k omaha hands and 2,500 NLHE hands and I am losing at NLHE, but +$35 at omaha.

I really didn't even realize how much better I am doing at PLO. TBH, I think it's the opponents being bad not my sick omaha skills. It is promising though, that I considered myself a decent NLHE player and I am consistently winning more often at Omaha. Maybe it's a coincidence, but I am looking forward to getting into some Omaha over on Bovada soon. Not only is the game more fun but it's pretty obvious that a lot of micro stakes players can't resist stacking off with KK on a 89T flop.

The only downside I see so far is the variance. I think the key is to have ultra conservative BRM and never chase losses in higher stakes.

PLO is very likely to be softer, but ur results can also be the product of variance after such a tiny sample as 1k hands

As far as BRM is concerned, keep it aggro as long as you can afford it. Micro-PLO is such a raketrap u wanna move up asap.

Don't make any conclusions with sample of this size.

At what point would you consider the rake reasonable? 25NL?

The rake is definitely a problem at 2NL and 5NL since I have made about 6 buyins of 2NL rakeback so far.
Good point.

PokerStars - €0.50 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BB): €99.82
UTG: €21.32 (VPIP: 51.96, PFR: 3.91, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 183)
CO: €129.34 (VPIP: 22.91, PFR: 12.86, 3Bet Preflop: 4.39, Hands: 1,321)
BTN: €84.68 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 5.88, Hands: 28)
SB: €57.72 (VPIP: 14.81, PFR: 3.70, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)

SB posts SB €0.25, Hero posts BB €0.50

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.75) Hero has Q Q J 5

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to €1.50, Hero calls €1.00

Flop: (€3.00, 2 players) Q 2 T
SB bets €2.10, Hero raises to €7.00, SB calls €4.90

Turn: (€17.00, 2 players) 5
SB checks, Hero bets €13.50, SB calls €13.50

River: (€44.00, 2 players) K
SB bets €35.72 and is all-in, Hero???

SB wins €41.14

villain is unknown... should I call?

Sucks but I think it's a fold.

Would you guys say it is smarter to grind no limit holdem micros over plo micros? I'm thinking because of the insane variance and insane rake that it may be smarter to switch over to no limit holdem. I enjoy omaha more than no limit holdem, but in the end im trying to make a living at this game.

If you recommend playing nlhe over plo at which stake would it be okay to transition over to plo?

Hand 1:

I usually raise in these spots, but figured I'd just flat this time since I have the NDF and villain seems aggro, so I'd be happy to call his semi-bluff and raise turns. His donk-flop is 40%, but small sample. Is it better to always be raising flop? I mean there is a player yet to act so when a low card hits the turn I'll no longer know where I'm at in the hand.

OTF I figured the board gets so drawy that rivers will be difficult. I think I'd still ship this if a blank would come though.

BB is 28/21/4.3 over 65 hands






Hand 2:

I got fairly confused here. We are quite deep, and somehow I get a bit chicken with low sets - been burned so many times the last few days.

I don't really like my betsizing, I think I should raise pot OTF and pot/call on the turn. Am I missing a valuebet on the river? Was wondering what villain would call me with and decided to check back, since I so hate life if villain C/R's me.

MP: 17/14/0.7 over 36 hands
SB: 34/10/1.4 with a 3bet of 25 over 53 hands

Quick Noob question about live casino play.

Online the amount in the pot is always shown.

At a live table does the dealer keep track and announce the pot size as the bets come out so you know the cap on betting?

TIA may play live for the first time this weekend just want to know what to expect. Any other tips about live casino PLO hi would be appreciated too.

GL TO ALL

Welcome to 2+2, we hope you like it there!

I've never had an opportunity to play live, but from TV shows like PS Big Game, I know that, by default, the dealer isn't obliged to calculate the pot size, except the case when a player announces a potsize bet/raise in a PL game, then the dealer has to help calculate how much more the player should move into the pot. After asking (in a PL game) how big the pot is or the potsize bet/raise would be to him/her, the player has to make the potsize bet/raise.

The rules can surely vary from house to house, so you'd better ask the dealer beforehand, and also some live pros from this forum are welcome to cite the rules of their rooms if they're reading this.

Remember that the total potsize bet/raise 'to' amount equals the amount to call plus the pot size after the hypothetical call. E.g. if the pot was $100 and a $50 bet and one call have been made, the amount of chips to put into the potsize squeeze is $50 (the overcall amount) + $100 + $50 + $50 + $50 (in the pot after the overcall) = $300.

So generally, you have to calculate the pot size manually, which is a learnable skill; first of all, learn denominations of chips of different colour or shape, then counting them should be easy.

Here's the official thread about live PLO, but bear in mind that 1) it's often ignored and posters start their own threads about separate hands, which can be found by the search function, 2) live PLO hand threads are often started in the High Stakes PLO forum instead because, technically, the stakes are above 1/2 most of the time (though the skill level is way below the online 1/2 standards, hence I'd advocate for their placement in SSPLO except really tough live stakes like 10/20+ or 5/10 with a straddle, but it's not enforced).