Definitely have to stack off on the river, especially at these stakes players will show up with any full house here. I would probably bet less or check the turn.

you should maybe think about folding preflop

My thinking on turn bet was to try and leave UTG with about a pot sized bet on the river, hoping for him to call down weak. I didn't have a whole lot really planned out for the PF raiser.

Where's this become a pretty clear call? KKT9ss?

no, with KKT9ss you should think about 3betting maybe KKT8-7 or KKTsJs-Qs or weaker, connected combos that are trip suited maybe like KKTQsss

Where could I find PLO learning materials for small/micro stakes? In the topic from first page there is a lot of links but they all are pretty old. Unfortunately, in Google I can't find anything beside a few YouTube videos. I know there's PLO Mastermind but it is quite expensive for someone playing the lowest limit possible. Can you recommend some free content?

Both villains are very loose. Should I be potting this flop SPR 3?


iPoker, Omaha Pot Limit - €0.25/€0.50 - 5 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

UTG: €68.07 (136 bb)
CO: €50.00 (100 bb)
BU: €46.50 (93 bb)
SB (Hero): €50.00 (100 bb)
BB: €84.87 (170 bb)

Pre-Flop: (€0.75) Hero is SB with A♠ A♦ 8♦ 7♥
UTG raises to €1, 1 fold, BTN calls €1, Hero 3-bets to €4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls €3.50, BTN calls €3.50

Flop: (€14) 9♥ 4♥ 5♠ (3 players)

You already made a thread for that hand.

Any idea what is the best site to play huplo with reasonable rake at the lowest stakes possible? (located in EU)

I'm new to PLO, so I'm not sure if these hands are coolers, or just bad spots that I can get away from.

Live home cash game, $1/$1 $100-$300 buyin, Dealer's choice game so I'm playing PLO about half the time.

Hand 1

$5 bomb pot, everyone puts in 5 dollars and one flop is dealt.

Hero in BB with 22J9 single suited spades. approx 220bb.

FLOP

2K4r Pot=$35

Hero bets 15, UTG calls, LJ calls HJcalls.

TURN

2K4 4, 2 clubs on the board now. Pot = $95

Hero bets 40, UTG folds, LJ calls, HJ folds. LJ has us covered.

RIVER

2K44 9, flush doesnt get there. Pot = $175

Hero bets 80, LJ shoves, hero calls, LJ shows 4987 single suited ( something like that, I can't remember the exact hand).


So is that just a cooler? Is it bad to raise a lower full house like this on the turn and river oop?

HAND 2

Hero in UTG straddle with JTJT double suited, spades and clubs. Approx 270bb behind.

MP raises, 5 callers, I call. 7 ways to the flop.

FLOP
K92, 2 diamonds, 1 spade. Pot =$35.

Checks to CO, who bets $20, folds to hero who calls. Co has us covered >300bb.

Turn

K92 K, 2 diamonds 1 spade 1 club. Pot = $75

Hero checks, CO checks.

River

K92K Jd, Diamond flush draw gets there. Pot = $75.

Hero checks, CO bets 60. Hero raises to 140. CO calls, showing K9xx.

Is raising the river too thin for PLO? If this was NLHE I would just chalk it up as a cooler, but I'm not so sure in PLO.

not really, you are supposed to fold to the river raise.


don't peel the flop with a 3 out gutty

Why?


Apart from the 3 out gutshot, I have 2 jacks and 2 tens for second set, 2 8s for an open ended straight and 9 more spades for the backdoor flush. Do I need more equity than that?

Where are the best online sites for American PLO players (I live in California to be specific)? I'm playing on Global Poker at the moment

The best online sites for Americans are exclusive to the handful of regulated states, imo. Other than that, you're paying a lot of rake and seeing almost none of it back, or playing on WPN(/ACR/etc). (I don't think I'm misremembering or misunderstanding the rake/back situation facing US players.)

WPN is a difficult question. The games are almost definitely somewhat tougher than Global and it's very easy to mistrust WPN for a variety of reasons.

I think you're fine to stay on Global.

Either that or move to a different state, which is probably not something you're interested in.

Your call pf is as standard as it gets. I have no clue why anyone would ever fold here.

New to plo, started around late feb this year. got lucky running $100-$500 in 2 months at stars but in a rut as of late wherein my roll just goes between 250-400.

Is it better to play at stars or ggpoker? I know I cant beat rake at my skill level but it would be nice to get back a little something while learning the game.

im already at 150k hands and still pretty much bad and looking at studying more

I recommend Stars over GG.

Anyone have any tips for learning PLO for/at live $2-5? Smallest and only game in the house. I've heard they're gambly, most pots are raised etc....

What kind of win rates are ya'll putting up over how many hands?

Edit: Talking online up to 50PLO

In live pre flop Ranges typically tend to be more wide.
Definitely have to be more patient with premium starting hands if you notice pots are always going multiway.
Plenty of courses online to choose from that would def improve your game off the felt.

If you're learning, then I can't say that you need a big bankroll, because bankroll presumes +EV and depends on winrate. But even if you know you're a winning player versus that field (and you probably are if you've ever read anything about PLO), the variance is absolutely enormous compared to NLHE, and even "more enormous" in that sort of game.

If you're learning, at the beginning, I'd buy in for the min and just grind trying to get AI pre with AAxx or good rundowns -- not because that's the most profitable way to play, but because it's a way to rent a seat at the table and watch lots of hands at +EV without swings in the tens of thousands of dollars.

those times you quadruple up, you can start practicing PLO "for real." And after a while you won't want to stunt your growth necessarily. But at the beginning getting tons of observation time that's modestly +EV is underrated IMO.

I've played about 10 hours in PLO so far and the game is much more passive and multi-way to cheap flops than I was led to believe. I don't know much about Omaha, but there are generally multiple spots making frequent mistakes from hand selection preflop, seemingly no consideration of position, to calling full pot bets with marginal and/or non-nut draws that this just has to be more EV than the 2-5 NL games where the mistakes aren't as egregious.

I would like to figure out some strategy for what I'm doing with raises preflop - is seeing flops 4-5 ways for $80-$100 better than seeing them 6-7 ways for $30-$35? Am I only raising preflop if I can pot it for $30-40+ and possibly fold out a few players? EDIT: Hmmm... this digest link from 8 years ago may be helpful....

Well, because almost any non-dominated hand has substantial preflop equity, getting any dead money in the pot at all is a gold mine. If you can make it $90 and fold out two hands leaving some money in there, that's terrific.

But buying in "full" in PLO is really more than 100xBB, especially if there's a straddle so the effective BB is twice the nominal BB or more. In your example at a $500 buyin, you now have a ~$400 pot four ways and SPR=1. So you're really just picking a reasonable starting hand, trying to hit some piece of the flop (probably any one flopped pair is OK at that SPR), and going with it.

You can see why the variance is immense compared to similar NLHE stakes. If you're bankrolled for it a game like that will be immensely profitable.

Oh, sorry I didn't mean you would get 4-5 callers for $100 each, people do fold out for that kind of raise (though I did see $150 preflop three ways today), but opening to $15 or $20, you'll still get at least 4-5 callers, and even if you get it up to $30 or $40 after people have limped, the limpers are most likely still calling. I presume raising is still worth it for the times I do hit.

Hi!

Been out of the game for a couple of years now. Remember PLO was fun but swingy!
Im gonna start playing some PLO10. How many buyins do you recommend in the bankroll starting on that level?

/kalle