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05-17-2020 , 06:56 AM

bubukin

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Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 65

[converted_hand][hand_history]iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 5 players
Hand converted by Holdem Manager 3

BTN: €47.89 (239.5 bb)
SB: €19.40 (97 bb)
BB: €20.00 (100 bb)
Hero (UTG): €33.06 (165.3 bb)
CO: €27.80 (139 bb)

SB posts €0.10, BB posts €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has Q

Hero raises to €0.70, CO raises to €2.40, 3 folds, Hero calls €1.70

Flop: (€5.10, 2 players) 8

Hero checks, CO bets €1.80, [color="red"]Hero?

The Villain is loose aggressive. Do we 4bet here?The reason I didn't 4bet was that I have 3 clubs in hand and villain is agro from position. It's the flop check raise or check call? I knew he is gonna bet flop,but usually slow down on turn.

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05-17-2020 , 01:23 PM

PacnyTuH0

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Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 167

Preflop seems like a 100% call but only because of villain being loose aggressive - otherwise it's a fold.
Actually, it depends on what you mean by loose aggressive. Is he a maniac or competent?
If he is competent I lean towards a fold since it's gonna be hard to play OOP and the thee clubs don't help.

Flop
I like check/calling, since the three clubs makes it very unlikely for him to have a flush to call our raise with.
I would let him bluff by just calling since raising does not accomplish much.
If he checks back turn I will evaluate river.

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05-17-2020 , 02:52 PM

bubukin

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He was raising and 3beting very wide. His strategy was bet fold every flop when check raise to him. Or just give up on turn when someone called his c-bet. That's why I don't know If check raising on flop or call and give him cheap card on turn. If board paired it's hard for me. His range was very big.

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05-18-2020 , 12:19 AM

RalphWaldoEmerson

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Join Date: Sep 2014 Posts: 5,963

I am new-ish to PLO but I probably open fold pre from UTG/MP and open this from CO. Calling 3! seems fine vs. guy who will have ton of random 3! combos with lower high card value.
I would XR flop vs. described V who will shut down turns a ton.

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05-18-2020 , 12:20 PM

Caterina

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Join Date: May 2017 Posts: 227

Why not lead for a change? By check/raising we are basically saying "I have the nutflush or the dry A". By leading we can have way more hands and charge most turns, instead of giving freecards.

I mean, I don't know what I'm talking about, but if V. is 3betting a lot and then cbetting 100% of flops, we should probably check/raise with lots of jank, including on this board. If we were to do that, we would also x/r the nutflush, no?

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05-19-2020 , 02:46 AM

bumpnrun

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Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 2,888

Pre is a fold UTG i guess we can call the 3 get but only if villain is wild as well as bad

Flop is kind of whatever it’s so hard to get paid off on flops like this. My experiences of trying to check call didn’t really work out ...so I guess we check raise pot and hope he has a set/two pair and wants to try bink or peel one with King high flush

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05-20-2020 , 04:08 AM

Stryd0r

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Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,723

if he is c-betting 100% start clicking it back occasionally especially on these boards with all sorts of nut-value, thin-value hands and bluffs, and he'll go nuts and screw up

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05-20-2020 , 03:34 PM

viggie79

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Join Date: Dec 2019 Posts: 173

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Originally Posted by bumpnrun

I agree with all this.
The only way a lot of money is going into this pot is if he boats up on the turn or river or if he has like K or Q high flush too and just cant give it up (a spot I find myself in all the time) so I'd say just c/r the flop. If he calls you can either get paid off by whatever flush he has, or jam the turn if the board doesnt pair?

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05-20-2020 , 07:57 PM

PokerPlayingGamble

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Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 4,669

It's five handed so we are actually in MP. I think this is a borderline but OK open. I would fold this hand in if we were truly utg (first to act out of 6). Anyway on the flop you have to raise big. A few things. First, the pot isn't really that small, because it was three bet pre and now bet and called on the flop. Second, even if villain makes a straight we are getting like one small bet out of that, max. Third, pretty easy for villain to improve to beat us. If it was a larger bet and/or we were multiway (especially like 4 handed) then for sure slowplay.

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05-28-2020 , 02:15 AM

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Darweh

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Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3

I am LAG so I think I can help you here. Obviously he preflop 3 bet doesn't mean much and his range is very wide here. Flop looks like he is betting small because he hopes you missed and will just fold. I would expect him to give up on turn as most fish do in this situation unless you got really lucky and he actually has a flush, in that case I would check raise turn and play for stacks on the river. I thinking raising flop is insane against this type of player. You got what you wanted, you flopped huge against the aggro, don't scare him away now....

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05-31-2020 , 06:14 PM

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Czech Rays

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Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 1,645

Raise pre is fine and call 3b vs aggro is mandatory.

Raise flop. Guy is happy to put chips in the pot and you want it to be much bigger.

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