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03-04-2018 , 04:27 PM
Can you help me find a good plo line here? Since this limit is passive I almost every time put him on a set. I do not want to shove but also bet / call flop and then c/f turns feels pretty weak. Also I am unsure if the call with implied odds on the flop is even +ev oop?


PokerStars Hand #183378070533: Omaha Pot Limit ($0.01/$0.02 USD) - 2018/03/04 15:11:31 ET
Table 'Montefiore III' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Graff48 ($1.88 in chips)
Seat 2: Blue**** ($2.01 in chips)
Seat 3: Marlboro0005 ($3.61 in chips)
Seat 4: ThisIsMySwamp ($2.41 in chips)
Seat 5: uncle Igor86 ($2 in chips)
Seat 6: Hero ($4.21 in chips)
Marlboro0005: posts small blind $0.01
ThisIsMySwamp: posts big blind $0.02

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [7 T A T]
uncle Igor86: folds
Hero: raises $0.04 to $0.06
Graff48: folds
Blue****: calls $0.06
Marlboro0005: folds
ThisIsMySwamp: calls $0.04

*** FLOP *** [Q 4 K]
ThisIsMySwamp: checks
Hero: bets $0.14
Blue****: raises $0.46 to $0.60
ThisIsMySwamp: folds
Hero: calls $0.46

*** TURN *** [Q 4 K] [2]
Hero: checks
Blue****: bets $1.34
Hero: folds
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03-05-2018 , 03:54 AM
I fold pre, it's a marginal open

postflop is tricky, I usually x flop MW in the name of balance (and to avoid the situation you're faced with here).

I think b/f flop is not an option, but xf turn is ok.
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03-05-2018 , 06:47 AM
Do not call flop if you intend to check-fold unimproved turns. 100 BB deep I would prefer to just re-shove on the flop. You have tons of equity if you get to see two cards.
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03-05-2018 , 09:11 AM
If villain has at least 2 pair I don't see bet/call flop making sense when he's gonna shove most blank turns, and when you hit are you gonna get value anyway? I also am not sure we have "tons" of equity if we gii on flop. we have flip vs 2p and we're 35/65 vs sets except 44 which we have 41% against.
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03-05-2018 , 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by TreeHand
If villain has at least 2 pair I don't see bet/call flop making sense when he's gonna shove most blank turns, and when you hit are you gonna get value anyway? I also am not sure we have "tons" of equity if we gii on flop. we have flip vs 2p and we're 35/65 vs sets except 44 which we have 41% against.
Against a range of KK/KQ/QQ/44, we have 42%. If we add some wraps like AJT, AKJT, AQJT, it rises to 44%. If we also add the Q4/K4 two pairs, we have 45%.

So, against a reasonable calling range we have 44%. Also, some villains will fold some two pair hands facing this kind of aggression. And Villain will raise air, hands that we crush like JTxx w/ spades some of the time, by calling and folding turn we lose a lot of equity.

I still think that a push is very reasonable in this situation. Otherwise do not bet this flop. Bet-folding and bet-calling are bad options, if you bet you need to be prepared to stack off.
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03-05-2018 , 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by oli1980
Since this limit is passive
Excluding maniacs, betting is better than checking by the largest margin against people who raise the tightest possible range. You'd prefer your opponents to only raise KK+fd (lol), after which you'd fold. Sets-only is slightly worse for you, adding two pair makes it slightly worse (both still good though, even if you generally fold at some point), and a balanced range with some reasonable amount of semibluffs is yet worse. The range against which you can continue following a raise doesn't necessarily grant the highest EV for your bets.

So given the description of passive play, starting with a bet is a given, regardless of what follows.

Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 03-05-2018 at 11:09 AM.
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03-05-2018 , 07:09 PM
I think we have enough equity to bet/gii, so I prefer that option.
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03-05-2018 , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ReGen
Against a range of KK/KQ/QQ/44, we have 42%. If we add some wraps like AJT, AKJT, AQJT, it rises to 44%. If we also add the Q4/K4 two pairs, we have 45%.

So, against a reasonable calling range we have 44%. Also, some villains will fold some two pair hands facing this kind of aggression. And Villain will raise air, hands that we crush like JTxx w/ spades some of the time, by calling and folding turn we lose a lot of equity.

I still think that a push is very reasonable in this situation. Otherwise do not bet this flop. Bet-folding and bet-calling are bad options, if you bet you need to be prepared to stack off.
Sounds reasonable, id think with us blocking tens tho we'd have a little less than 44%. GIi on flop seems reasonable, bet call > fold turn seems like a disaster.
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