So I’ve finally gotten tired on NL and have migrated over to small stakes live PLO, I’m having decent success playing tight and generally avoiding putting a lot of money in without very nutted hands. I know I’m folding too much and getting bluffed by more competent players to frequently and want to get better in those spots. This one happend at a recent live game of 1/2 with a 5 brig in the afternoon on a Saturday

Villain 1 UTG+1b (250ish) big spot in the game, he has been in the game overnight since Friday when hero sat around 3 hours ago the he had been sitting on a 2k stack, calls with most draws, will sink out with very marginal holdings and his strong hands. Very wide opening range usually will make it 10-15 if first into a pot.

Villain 2 cutoff (500ish), seems like a reg. Playing too many hands in hero’s opinion, calling to often pre regardless of action. Have seen him over value mediocre hands, but doesn’t seem crazy on limited read.

Hero Button (700ish) been playing snug preflop have won some small pots, shown can bet other amounts besides pot, up about 500 mostly from 2 big hands with AAxx and KKxx that got the money in early and held up.

Hero dealt AdTdTs9s

Villain 1 opens for 15 villain 2 calls, hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: Jc 7d 6d (pot 60)

Checks to hero who bets 45, villain 1 pots, villain 2 pots, hero?

It was guaranteed villain 1 will call off for less, is nut flush and a gut shot to the straight enough to call off here multi-way when villain 1 is a known spewer and villain 2 does not need to be nutted here?

Prefer a 3bet pre.

Yes if you folded it’s too nitty on the flop. Just a pure math spot, but with nutted draws and possible set and runner runner outs you’re never in terrible shape.

One of the players is donating his stack to the winner of you and the otber guy.

Dream spot.

Sometimes flat flop and don't fold except on turn board pairs. Sometimes rip it.

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Villain 2 is usually going to have JJ with this action. So we will be a 2:1 dog on the side pot if that is the case. So that is -83 in EV. On the main we will be 190235+235+45+60)

190:575 or 1:3. So we will need 45% equity on the main in order to make up that loss in EV.

Of course if villain 2 can have some other hands like top two + fd or top two + fd + oe, set + fd, wrap + fd then it is not quite so clear.

One thing I wish someone had told me is: in PLO it’s better to start out being slightly too tight and open up from there, than visa versa. Especially pre flop

The exact conflict I had was I thought that between both villains I was probably behind though I thought there was a distinct possibility neither villain 1 or 2 had a set. II thought it likely that even though I had nut outs, it was likely several of my outs were dead. I think if I were heads up against either opponent I would snapped shoved but the multi way made me reconsider.

Well if they both have sets or even set vs. two pair then you're in fine shape. Generally it's difficult to put your money in bad in a 3 way pot with the nut flush draw to the nuts.

My feeling said just go with it and stick it in. But after analysing the hand I am not so sure any more. Obviously a very interesting spot. Ideally, they both have sets and you have about 37.5 % in the main pot. But as soon as V1 has a rundown WITH an 8 and V2 has the JJxx, or even J7xx (maybe in JT97) you are not ahead any more at all.
On the other hand V1 could also have random AA (at you block) or KK hand like KKQJ and V2 a rundown like 7654 - suddenly you are in great shape.

I'd be interested in how the hand continued...

It's going to be difficult to come up with correct ranges for everyone, esp. given the read on V2 "Have seen him over value mediocre hands" ... this is mostly anything ok+ for both, where V2 wins over V1 just due to folding more pre.

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board: J 7 6

Hand	Pot equity	Wins	Ties
AdTdTs9s	34.35%	200,926	10,361
(JJ,77,66,T98,((98,J7,J6,76,54):dd)):30%	35.06%	205,429	9,943
(JJ,77,66,T98,((98,J7,J6,76,54):dd)):60%	30.59%	179,758	7,688

Obviously if V2 starts playing differently with the worst parts of his range T98/66/54dd we lose a lot of equity. Without the read on V2 (so we assume V2 is good and is aware of stack sizes vs. you and thus. careful with his raises here) folding might be slightly better than not _IF_ we hadn't bet. Given we have bet like 10% of stacks vs. V2, bet/fold seems bad.

Note that sometimes the cards will turn over and you'll be in bad shape, just like sometimes the cards will turn over and you'll be crushing ... neither is the whole picture.

3betting pre allows V1 to GII preflop. That's something to consider if you 3bet with these stack sizes.

Given the description, I suspect V2 calls too much with hands he should fold, but doesn't get too out of line when taking aggressive action.

This spot is great, you get to put it in and gamble without feeling like it's gambooling

Given the action, i dont think v2 repot is enough to make me fold here. With two cards to come, alot of good turn cards (k,q, maybe your 10) and limited exposure, this is pretty much a correct pot odd gamble.

It is a little disconcerting that they both checkraised you, if i understand the action correctly. However, this also makes me wonder if v2 is simply trying to isolate on v1, who sounds like the worst player at the table. The board texture is wet enough that alot of players w top/middle set,second to act, would pot it in turn. He didn't and it makes me wonder if he only has two pair or bottom set.

Ranges above look legitimate and show you have ~35% equity versus their combined holdings. Won't agree with others that this is a "fist pump" type of spot, but you aren't making too much of a mistake GII here and are likely GII with a slight overlay. So, choo choo, time to ride the variance train!