Been trying to learn PLO lately and i've been noticing a lot of similarities + differences in how postflop + preflop is played in bet sizing and ranges.

One thing i don't get is how you are suppose to know how to play your range in a certain spot ik you can just plug ur hand vs villain's range and see what equities you have but in game real time how are you suppose to estimate villain's combos as there are so many possibilities with 4 cards. Or am i approaching this the wrong way and should just be focusing on equities it's just easier for me to visualize combos in game especially in a game like NLH.

hi eudaimonia, great choice picking omaha you have good taste my friend!

In omaha we are not focused on visualizing our opponents ranges, because as you know this isnt feasible. But because our opponents range can only interact with the board in so many ways we are always trying to hone in on the 'sub-regions' of his range. In omaha, like holdem, the way we utilize our distribution is based on how our/villains PF ranges interact with the board texture. For example on some boards we are entitled to a lot of aggression (CBing range) etc because the board interacts with our PF range so strongly

Equity calcs like PPT can be great tools, but our goal is to maximize our expectation. Equity and EV are correlated but EV is influenced by many factors. for example if we have a hand with great blockers and playability OTF, we might have poor equity but our playability and our future opportunities to run bluffs give our combo a lot of EV. In stack off situations where we are getting all the money in, and there is nothing left behind to play, the entire strategy IS raw Equity based. This is especially relevant shortstacking

PLO and NLHE is a lot more similar than mainstream commentators pandering to noobs like to say, you know, to make it seem more interesting and exciting.

You learn by using solvers, and intuitively learning about frequencies. Programs like oddsoracle and such do also tell you how frequent certain combos are in certain spots.

Bumping this thread since im getting serious about omaha cash games

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Atm playing 200nl reg speed online and 5/10 live 250bb+ deep.

-Rainbow offsuit hands are garbage pre like AK35r
-We bet more when we have backup equity to the nuts?
-What i've noticed with omaha is that you do a lot more ccing from every position makes sense because equities run much closer preflop
-We check the flop often with overpairs/TP hands unless the board is good for us as the PFR such as a rainbow flop of Q23r and we hold AQ i think we can bet more here then a flop like QT7tt unlike in NLH
-Given you can only bet pot in omaha its going to be much harder to get the money in when you have nuts postflop (especially when you get really deep) so i imagine people slowplay way less OTF/OTT IP in omaha

What flop sizings do we use in omaha OTF in NLH flop consists of 1/3 and 2/3 mainly and on some rare boards you can have multiple sizings such as pot (depending on villain's range ofc)

I think i struggle with the fact that you have to do a lot of checking OTF in omaha even vs a wide ccing range which im not that comfortable with (i guess the only way to know is with using a solver which hands get bet or xed)
And then we can bet range for 1/3 or 2/3 OTT when it bricks vs a very wide cc range right?

You do more calling pre in plo than in nlhe, but you still want to be very selective about the hands you play in a raised pot.


What you are really looking for in these situations is board interaction. So for example AQ99 on QT7 is probably a bet, even though the nines don't do anything for us, they remove hands from villains continuing range AND our hand has less value as a check back because we have a pocket pair and hence will not make two pair.

"What flop sizings do we use in omaha"

Usually 1/2 pot or 2/3rds, but some situations call for smaller bets as well. It's situational. We pot as well a decent amount of the time.

"I think i struggle with the fact that you have to do a lot of checking OTF in omaha "

yah, unless you have a massive equity advantage you are seldom going to be betting more than 50% imo. and you will check more frequently if you are OOP.

Thanks for this post

So blockers are much more prevalent and useful in PLO in regards to EV then NLH??

I imagine with AQ99 on QT7tt, once villain calls say our 1/2 or 2/3 sizing, and turn is a brick we just pot it?

Yeah for sure pot sizing OTF is very awkward for me, but again sizing should in regards to the nash equilbrium strat and in PLO you can have way more bluffs then in nlh i think at least...??

Eudaimonia, Runitonce has a solver tool "Vision" that has a new sub tool "Streak" that I think would be useful to you. Its a bunch of Monker solves loaded into a program. They have each scenario pre loaded starting with UTG opening range all the way through multi way squeeze spots and 4 bets for each spot. Then post flop for each spot also. You play each spot as if its in game with a timer. There are leaderboard competitions and your goal is to get at least 20 decisions for each spot correct. Its a good way to get these concepts down and holds the attention so its actually an effective use of time and study. There are multiple easy to use tools to break down how different blockers affect action if you want to stop and deep dive into a hand. Its $130 a month so is a bit pricy but for the knowledge to are able to gain its an amazing value, and no I am in no way affiliated with Runitonce

TY will x it out, i have monker so this will be interesting to compare the results haha