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09-08-2020 , 11:59 AM
Ultra ultra loose passive 1-2 PLO game. This is 9 handed where everyone is a NL player who just recently started playing PLO and are all very loose passive guys who understand the basics of poker.

A very common situation that occurs is when I have something like AsKcQhJc and the flop is 2s7sTs after I have raised to 10 over some limpers.

Check to me and I c-bet full pot and only the people w/ 2 pairs or a set call. Blank turn and I pot again when checked to me and I pot again on river after another blank and that works quite often.

Once in a while someone with a K/Q high flush will not fold and I lose. Other times the board pairs and they fire out full pot.

Is there any consideration to betting a smaller % of the pot on flop, turn, and river when two blanks come? They are never folding any 2 pairs or a set so the thought is if they are going to chase you down, lose less when they get there. Then there is charge them the max when two blanks come and they fold river. Then there is lose less if they look you up with 2nd or third nuts when 2 blanks fall. They are always shocked when I turn over my cards if called by the 2nd/3rd nuts and I don't have it. In this game they only bet when they have hit, no one is semi-bluffing wraps + flush draws type hands. There is also the added value of my pre-flop raise and continuation that makes them less likely to believe vs if I had just limped or called along with the whole field.

There is zero reason to ever bluff in a game where they always pay you off and chase draws with incorrect odds so there is even reason to just check fold Ace high on the flop. When I mean pay off is that they literally will bet the nuts and can't lay down when I get there vs I can lay down when they get there so if I can just stay the course like this why ever bluff.
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09-08-2020 , 12:54 PM
Depends on tons of stuff:

- effective stack sizes
- run out
- their range vs yours
- your image
- whether you feel their range is more weighted to second/third best flushes or more to set/two pair hands looking to fill up

In a bubble I’d bet big in early streets where you have range advantage and the blocker, and save some money on the river by betting a little less (if not paired etc)

But again, its obviously very situation dependent
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09-10-2020 , 12:05 PM
Sometimes in 6 way pots with 4 fish I just check fold the dry ace and don’t tell anyone
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09-10-2020 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by OmahaDonk
Sometimes in 6 way pots with 4 fish I just check fold the dry ace and don’t tell anyone
I really relate to this, like someone’s gonna hold on innit
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09-11-2020 , 06:35 AM
Play the naked A the same way you play the nut flush.
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09-11-2020 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by RedTie89
Depends on tons of stuff:

- effective stack sizes
- run out
- their range vs yours
- your image
- whether you feel their range is more weighted to second/third best flushes or more to set/two pair hands looking to fill up

In a bubble I’d bet big in early streets where you have range advantage and the blocker, and save some money on the river by betting a little less (if not paired etc)

But again, its obviously very situation dependent
Stack sizes are always very very deep. This is a club that allows for 2-300 bb buy in and people are constantly re-buying after stacking off so often times there are 400+ bb stacks.

Run out is clean, two blanks, no pairing of the board, etc...

They have very wide, weak, and non-nut ranges basically any 4 cards. This is the dream opponents.

My image is very solid tight always showing down good hands when called.

Because oftentimes 2-3 people will call down hoping to pair only the person with 2nd/3rd nut flush might call river bet to the 3rd barrel while the sets/2 pairs fold then.

I do like the advice of playing it like I have the nut flush and that will be the most convincing.

Check folding the naked ace is definitely a strong play to just follow because with these calling station and pay off wizards there is really zero reason to bluff.
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09-11-2020 , 05:36 PM
never bluff in a multiway pot.
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