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12-08-2017 , 02:04 AM

TreeHand

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PLO50 6 max
Everyone is 50$ stack

Hero in CO ($50): Ts Td 8s 7h

Pre flop:
UTG limp, Hero pot $2.25, BTN call, BB call, UTG call

Flop ($9.25): Th Js 6d
BB check, UTG check, Hero bet $5.50, BTN call, BB raise $31.25, UTG fold, Hero?

Villain is marked as more agro than average, although games are loose passive.

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12-08-2017 , 02:23 AM

monikrazy

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It's not clear just how aggro villain is from that description, against a player you think is too agressive and therefore might have 2p, the smallest sets and wrappy type hands(even overplaying kqxx) often you can stack off pretty easily - no point flatting

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12-08-2017 , 03:53 AM

SolarAU

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Much deeper there is huge merit to flatting to protect your bet/ call range from being too draw heavy and potentially an easy range to get barrelled on turns. At this SPR you gotta GII except against the tightest of nits out there, plenty of top end wrap stuff you don't block and worst case he has JJ and you have an emergency 9 and backdoor equity.

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12-08-2017 , 09:37 AM

Purasevic

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It`s really close.People are raising wider than top set on this board,i would be closer to

ship it in on flop.

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12-08-2017 , 01:09 PM

Grethe

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Originally Posted by TreeHand

PLO50 6 max
Villain is marked as more agro than average, although games are loose passive.

Jammin' hope you like jammin' too!

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12-08-2017 , 01:31 PM

NMcNasty

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Foldable vs nits but that's about it.

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12-08-2017 , 07:42 PM

kamilk

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I would just jammm over.

Btw I wouldn't open or Isoraise this in CO if it's a rainbow hand. It would feel so much better to have a BDFD now.

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12-09-2017 , 01:54 AM

TreeHand

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Originally Posted by SolarAU

How deep would you be to start to think about flatting there? I'm thinking 150-200bb deep

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12-09-2017 , 01:55 AM

TreeHand

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Originally Posted by kamilk

I would just jammm over.

Btw I wouldn't open or Isoraise this in CO if it's a rainbow hand. It would feel so much better to have a BDFD now.

Yh I agree with that. Do you think it can be opened on a tighter table? I think i'd open it then

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12-09-2017 , 03:06 AM

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SolarAU

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Originally Posted by TreeHand

How deep would you be to start to think about flatting there? I'm thinking 150-200bb deep

Starting stack not so relevant as the SPR going into the turn when we call. If the SPR will be like 2+ lots of merit to flatting.

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12-09-2017 , 05:11 AM

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Galfondstyle

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Shove or fold it depends on the opponent.
In this spot I fold only against ultra rocks/nits or if we are extreme deep.

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12-09-2017 , 07:20 AM

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neilwave

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– against aggro – i won´t like a flat call, because their is no card which can really improve your hand OTT
– fold is to weak
– re-shove is imo the most profitable play here. Maybe you can realize some fold-equity, but the main reason (obvoius) is to GII, with your best equity you will have in this hand.

JJ beats you and vs. the rest you are in front

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12-11-2017 , 12:56 PM

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CJ72

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Perfect example of why playing pair + two undercards can be challenging.

In this spot you're way ahead of AA/QQ/KKxx, 2P, but gambling vs wraps and of course crushed vs JJxx.

I think you can rule out AAxx since there was no 3B. IMO gii is really only good option on turn. Calling is only worse than folding.

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12-19-2017 , 06:54 AM

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fabregas

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we're not that good against wraps+bdfd and topset
but the villain is aggro so he will contain 66 JT KQ Q9 hands to shove with so I guess it's a repot allin

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12-20-2017 , 04:44 AM

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Mt.FishNoob

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mid sets generally play better vs the check raise as top sets are more likely to lead. Check raises could be trapping you if you seen as aggro, likewise top pair + straight draw can be semi bluffing if you are cbet folding alot.

In general you can't get away from a set here and you aren't folding.

But the spot is very deep and play/expectation alters quite drastically depending on reads.

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12-20-2017 , 04:50 AM

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Mt.FishNoob

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Originally Posted by neilwave

– against aggro – i won´t like a flat call, because their is no card which can really improve your hand OTT

0.02$

BB is effectively all in, you should realize that the value/utility of this cognition is nothing in isolation. Obviously we aren't playing some kind of generically defined 'draw' here, but my point is that it is still a 'draw' and there are plenty of cards which 'improve' our hand and this is due to constructing a range and with that range an understanding of how the variance will effect that range (and so ours also, see the whole deck like a market). So basically your semantics and understanding of the game needs alot of work.

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12-20-2017 , 03:47 PM

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neilwave

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Originally Posted by Mt.FishNoob

that´s the reason why i´m here, ty.

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12-20-2017 , 04:52 PM

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MIB211

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This is a pretty easy shove IMO. Calling to leave like $15 back in a $70 pot is pointless, so it's all in or fold here. We only lose to JJ, and V can make this play with bottom set which we dominate, wraps (most of which we're a bit ahead of) and hands like two pair plus a straight draw.

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01-02-2018 , 03:50 PM

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ShLUbY

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Originally Posted by MIB211

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01-03-2018 , 01:18 AM

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iburydoscocaroaches

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I notice players trying to find a way around a cooler is just part of da game. Just cause you lose a hand don't mean you played it wrong. This is standard gii

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01-07-2018 , 08:59 AM

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lucaspawpaw16

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If you construct a range of JT JJ or 66 here it goes in.

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01-11-2018 , 11:01 PM

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CJ72

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Originally Posted by iburydoscocaroaches

I notice players trying to find a way around a cooler is just part of da game. Just cause you lose a hand don't mean you played it wrong. This is standard gii

Isnt just about every beat in plo a cooler?

Last edited by CJ72; 01-11-2018 at 11:13 PM.

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