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Maximizing value with a straight flush Maximizing value with a straight flush

11-28-2020 , 08:39 PM
1/2, 5 to go live game. Absolutely atrocious players in the game. Villain recently got stacked when he raised pre, then stacked off on A955 board, and got beat by AA (who didn't 3 bet). Villain rebought for 800. Game is match the stack, 80-500 buyin normally allowed. I have the table covered with about $1500. Game is round of each, so lots of horrible holdem players in.

A few limpers for $5, I pot it to $25 with KhKs9hTs in the cutoff. I get 3 callers.

Flop is JhQh3d. Checked to me, I make it $60 and get called by villain in BB.

Turn is beautiful Th. Checks again, I bet $100 to see how strong he is. He quickly calls.

River is a brick, don't even remember, but say 2s.

He looks like he's thinking about betting but checks.

How big do I go? He's likely got a set/2 pair hoping to pair the board and he won't really call much here. If he has the ace high flush I should be able to get a call of any bet. If he has a low flush he might even fold if I bet like $150. If he has an ace high flush, I'm not sure if he is capable of just flat calling if he was planning a check raise.

He has about $500 behind, pot is $425.

Looking back at it, I'm thinking a bet of like $150 might be best. If he has the ace high flush he'll probably shove. If he doesn't, that's the most he'll call.
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11-28-2020 , 10:20 PM
You think they play 45hhxx to fold when they make a flush?

Bet a little more on turn and then shove river effectively.
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11-28-2020 , 11:52 PM
Your blocking 3rd and 2nd flush, and nut flush rejams. Seems like a clear smaller bet but I dont think less than half pot is a thing on this texture.
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11-29-2020 , 11:56 AM
Firstly, in heads up pots, whenever possible on the turn try to pick a sizing that will "set up the river shove." Lots of good things will happen. I know players that specifically try to sit in the middle of the table (or will ask for a seat change button) so that they can better see everyone's stack sizes.

As for the river, in heads up pots, just have several predetermined pots sizes, pick the best one for that situation and don't beat yourself up about it either way. I'm betting 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 or pot on the river.

With your hand on the river, I bet 1/3 or 1/2. My philosophy is that betting small with the nuts is okay. Sometimes you induce a raise. And even when you only pick up a few extra chips on the river bet, you still collect all the chips in the pot from previous too. I believe and have seen it often where players are just one hand away from going on monkey tilt. Etc., etc. Akso conversely your small bluffs now work more often too.

Wolli2013 hit it on the nail. "Setting up the river shove" is a critical part of playing a pot limit game. Leveraging your whole stack doesn't get enough love in some of these threads. You said your opponent thought about betting the river, but then checked. If he had had only a pot sized bet left, he might have just bet.

Last edited by ladybruin; 11-29-2020 at 12:26 PM.
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11-29-2020 , 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by ladybruin
Firstly, in heads up pots, whenever possible on the turn try to pick a sizing that will "set up the river shove." Lots of good things will happen. I know players that specifically try to sit in the middle of the table (or will ask for a seat change button) so that they can better see everyone's stack sizes.

As for the river, in heads up pots, just have several predetermined pots sizes, pick the best one for that situation and don't beat yourself up about it either way. I'm betting 1/3, 1/2, 2/3, 3/4 or pot on the river.

With your hand on the river, I bet 1/3 or 1/2. My philosophy is that betting small with the nuts is okay. Sometimes you induce a raise. And even when you only pick up a few extra chips on the river bet, you still collect all the chips in the pot from previous too. I believe and have seen it often where players are just one hand away from going on monkey tilt. Etc., etc. Akso conversely your small bluffs now work more often too.

Wolli2013 hit it on the nail. "Setting up the river shove" is a critical part of playing a pot limit game. Leveraging your whole stack doesn't get enough love in some of these threads. You said your opponent thought about betting the river, but then checked. If he had had only a pot sized bet left, he might have just bet.
In this game, I have very few bluffs. It's mostly shorter stacks and bad players. Bluffing impossible. The good news is when you hit you get paid if they have anything. There are a handful of thinking players, so I bluff them and show to get paid by the others. There's also an element of not chasing players who are terrible at PLO away by rubbing it in their faces. This guy in particular asked if the game could be just NLHE and when someone else said no, he left.

Looking back given he's a pure holdem player, he probably had like 2 pair and I wasn't getting paid unless he boats up. Wish he did.

This game is rarely super deep, so that was also a bit odd. Given he bought in over the normal cap after dropping the cap, I sized up and bet $400 and hoped for a call, but he folded after thinking a while.

This guy had just over a pot sized bet, so I think I probably should have bet more on turn, and less on river.
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11-29-2020 , 10:43 PM
Given your reads, i think $150 river bet is fine. I think if anything you are probably losing the most value by not betting larger on the flop.
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11-30-2020 , 12:23 AM
I think $150 is fine. Only A high FD is raising and some other flushes will just call. There are so many more combos of sets, 2 pair, and straights that we should target those with our bet sizing.
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11-30-2020 , 11:26 AM
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He looks like he's thinking about betting but checks.
That is a ploy, he just wants a free showdown. I'd bet small, he probably can't call a large bet. Would be a good spot to bluff. Note, according to Caro, women who do this are more likely to call anyway than men.
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12-02-2020 , 03:05 PM
I like a smaller bet here also.

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Note, according to Caro, women who do this are more likely to call anyway than men.
**** Caro is onto something here.
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