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08-03-2017 , 11:53 AM
Hmm not sure whats the right play here,

on this flop an turn i give Villian, here, a set of 2, a set of 5 , nice straight draw maybe with flush draw, ( and this blocks my Equity )

i think my call on the flop is fine, but not sure about the turn play, should we prefer to call here and fold on bad rivers ?!

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    Party, $0.01/$0.02 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 5 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

    SB: $2 (100 bb)
    BB: $2.95 (147.5 bb)
    MP: $1.08 (54 bb)
    CO: $3.22 (161 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $2.66 (133 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q K A 8
    2 folds, Hero raises to $0.07, SB folds, BB calls $0.05

    Flop: ($0.15) 2 Q 5 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets $0.13, BB raises to $0.45, Hero calls $0.32

    Turn: ($1.05) K (2 players)
    BB bets $1, Hero raises to $2.14 and is all-in, BB calls $1.14

    River: ($5.33) 9 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: $5.33 pot ($0.26 rake)
    Final Board: 2 Q 5 K 9
    BB showed 2 A 2 7 and won $5.07 ($2.41 net)
    Hero showed Q K A 8 and lost (-$2.66 net)
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    08-03-2017 , 03:56 PM
    Why did you bet flop? And if you decide to bet this, why bet so much?

    Turn is fine. Villain can easily have 9s8s52 or other random garbage you are now crushing that he's never folding, any big draw hand is also not folding is significantly behind and probably not putting money in on the river if it misses.

    If villain isn't a moron then calling looking to call most rivers might be better, but...
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    08-03-2017 , 05:50 PM
    Life lesson. Don't overvalue two pair in plo. Obviously you beat a component of his range that's on a draw or is a worse two pair. Any competent player profits of this play or gets it in with decent equity.

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    08-03-2017 , 07:35 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by illiterat
    Why did you bet flop?
    Are you sure you read his hand right?
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    08-03-2017 , 08:23 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by PTMHM
    Life lesson. Don't overvalue two pair in plo. Obviously you beat a component of his range that's on a draw or is a worse two pair. Any competent player profits of this play or gets it in with decent equity.

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    My bad didn't see NFD

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    08-03-2017 , 10:41 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rei Ayanami
    Are you sure you read his hand right?
    I'm not saying don't bet the flop, or that it's not profitable, but if I did I wouldn't bet pot. I'd probably also check this hand a non-trivial amount vs. a random at $2 PLO and expect that to be at least as profitable as betting.

    The main question was "why" or "what was OPs reasoning for betting (what did he want villain to do with what of his range)", dito. the sizing. Given the pot bet I'd generally assume value but then all his descriptions play down the hand ... and maybe he assumed he's good for the value, will get called by any4 but then has a good read BB always has a random set when he raises ... but if so turn/river action is trivial. But then maybe he's just betting pot a lot on flop when he raised pre. and didn't think much about doing so now.
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    08-04-2017 , 04:09 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Slimer1984
    on this flop an turn i give Villian, here, a set of 2, a set of 5 , nice straight draw maybe with flush draw, ( and this blocks my Equity )
    Basically you're saying he'd only c/r with a set - what about 90% of the time? Rest made up of Q534s and 2345s.

    As you have him on a set - you should have called turn and folded river.

    There's quite a few players at the micros who literally don't c/r flops with draws, if he's one of them, he's one of them.
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    08-04-2017 , 04:40 AM
    i wish my "lost in turn" spots would look like this.
    just a cooler dont worry about it.
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    08-04-2017 , 02:08 PM
    Every play you made will be +EV in the long run. Don't worry about it. You made the right play.
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    08-04-2017 , 02:23 PM
    Only thing I would change is probably sizing down the flop cbet a bit. Once you get to the turn it's a pretty meh spot
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    08-05-2017 , 07:29 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by xaxa
    i wish my "lost in turn" spots would look like this.
    just a cooler dont worry about it.
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by VerdantDevil
    Every play you made will be +EV in the long run. Don't worry about it. You made the right play.
    thanks guys, but i think you misjudge me, i am not worry about the hands, i only want to talk about the hands and learn from other players,
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    08-08-2017 , 10:45 AM
    Ok-ish hand!
    you're crushing pair + draw hands, also two pairs is in bad shape!
    Against a set, you've lot equity and it is not a huge mistake... rake and opponent style should be taken into consideration, it's fine to fold to a nit with small edge into a high raked game.

    Last edited by pay4ruin; 08-08-2017 at 10:55 AM.
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