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Old 03-08-2019, 09:14 AM   #26
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here we go:
first one on partypoker:
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and pokerstars:
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any question ??
25k hands over 2 years? alright...

How much do you study plo?
The game is changing every day, either you keep up and improve your game or go busto.
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:57 AM   #27
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25k hands over 2 years? alright...

How much do you study plo?
The game is changing every day, either you keep up and improve your game or go busto.
I don't play PLO100 that much to be honest, mostly PLO50, but if I play PLO100 I gonna obv. lose there and running very bad like you can see..
So I stopped playing right now because i hate losing...
I am just buring money in this game right now and thats is not funny at all...
It makes me sad that I can't win and it makes me even more sad, that I can't master it right now...
I am watching videos, I was in the coaching area of Jnandez for 2 months..You know, I read this forum much, I have read every single post from the SSPLO grand digest thread, where former winning players have posted some secrets...
I have read every single post there. I was try to understand the magic of winning...I try to understand what makes a winning players in PLO, what is the secret behind this game?? but I don't get it right now.
I understand the basic concepts, like ranges from every position, like 3 betting, c-betting, coldcalling etc...BUT you know there must be something wrong in my mindset and in my skillset, what I can't catch and fix right now, and what I can't even understand and describe...you got what I mean??
I just don't get to the area where I can fix my biggest mistakes and leaks... There must be some big mistakes in my game that is for sure. Since I start playing 2 years ago, I only losing and I can't figure out it yet, why.
That is very frustrating.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:00 AM   #28
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

OP Don't go hard on yourself.
I think you just have to accept that some of us will be rec players and don't have what it takes to be a pro.
Just enjoy poker and have fun with it
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:14 AM   #29
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

how does getting it in behind mean you run bad ?
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Old 03-08-2019, 07:38 PM   #30
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playing way too many hands. try 10% ep. although you show profit in the worst position.. strange..
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Old 03-08-2019, 07:41 PM   #31
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maybe change your screen name
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:10 PM   #32
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

is 15 PFR from the SB only if you get folded around or how often do you raise a limper?

This is way too much. playing 34.8% vpip from SB is waaay too loose.

EP and MP has to be tighter as well, by a lot.


Overall, tighten up. play better starting hands, make better hands on flops, get sucked out less. easy.

you play very loose, get your money in all the time and then wonder where variance comes from.
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Old 03-08-2019, 10:38 PM   #33
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bro BB is the worst position
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:00 AM   #34
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playing way too many hands. try 10% ep. although you show profit in the worst position.. strange..
yeah this is trange...maybe I am doing somethings right there. Have to go through my hands there and look how I played it there..

But thank you for your tips guys. I didn't realize yet that 33 VPIP is too loose. I was playing 37/20 at PLO50 and was winning in a lot of sessions this way but got crushed with 33/19 at PLO100...
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:47 AM   #35
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If you folded EVERY hand in SB and BB you would only lose 15bb/100 and 30bb/100. Try 10%EP, 15% MP, and 15-20% from the blinds. Better players could play more hands from the blinds, but that's not you. You get owned OOP. You need to be playing the majority of your hands from CO/BTN. I don't care if it's only a 2x raise, fold your BB!
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:05 AM   #36
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[QUOTE]If you folded EVERY hand in SB and BB you would only lose 15bb/100 and 30bb/100.[/QUOTE

no, u would lose 50 and 100 bb / 100.

DUCY?
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Old 03-09-2019, 04:08 AM   #37
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op i would have blanked out your name and site. don't be surprised if a lot of people join your plo50 pool on party now and crush you
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Old 03-09-2019, 11:51 AM   #38
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no, u would lose 50 and 100 bb / 100.

DUCY?
I'm just curious how he came up with 15 and 30.

Martin, play tighter. Hands like the 99ds hand (99J2 i think) are trash. Fold nearly every single single suited hand in the sb to a raise and if you don't fold, 3-bet it.

With the J99xds hand for cold calling, the worst that you should call is J996ds and I suspect that that may be loose because I think you were the c/o and not otb. J997ds is certainly a call though. Connectivity matters a lot, esp without a nut or even 2nd nut suit.
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Old 03-09-2019, 03:14 PM   #39
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Yeah I should tighten up a little bit. Thanks isolated. Have to work on my game and than try it again...
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Old 03-09-2019, 06:44 PM   #40
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Martin, you should get PLO Matrix on Upswing. It's very good studying for good preflop play. I got it a couple of months ago and realized I was overvaluing ss hands and way undervaluing ds hands and it has improved my play a ton. Thinking of the underlying concepts of "why does the solver pick this hand and not that hand?" will also make you a much stronger player.
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Old 03-09-2019, 07:02 PM   #41
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

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I'm just curious how he came up with 15 and 30.
He only plays 3 handed (4 handed 33% of the time) LDO.
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Old 03-10-2019, 02:00 AM   #42
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If you folded EVERY hand in SB and BB you would only lose 15bb/100 and 30bb/100.[/QUOTE

no, u would lose 50 and 100 bb / 100.

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I'm just curious how he came up with 15 and 30.
oooooops Late night posting, etc. If I'm not mistaken, -15 and -30 bb/100 are "acceptable" loss rates from the blinds. Folding everything would be 50 n 100. I'm such a fish
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:05 PM   #43
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

I do not see how you are calculating this;
you are subtracting the sb-loss and the bb-loss separately from the overall loss;
how are you getting <50>/100-hands and <100>/100-hands from those stats;
thanks.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:46 PM   #44
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I do not see how you are calculating this;
you are subtracting the sb-loss and the bb-loss separately from the overall loss;
how are you getting <50>/100-hands and <100>/100-hands from those stats;
thanks.

You lose 50 big blinds out of 100 trials of being in the small blind if you fold every time you are the small blind.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:47 PM   #45
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Obviously it would be non sensical to look at your winrate in the SB while you are in the CO, hence you isolate for times when you are the small blind.
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:50 AM   #46
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@PokerPlayingGamble, thanks for the reply; I understand it now; my mistake was in misinterpreting what I was calculating; the 1430 'hands' in the sb, represents $0.50 for every one of the 1430, which equates to a total loss of $715, if 'martin' was to fold every time, when in the sb; every 100 hands in the sb, at $0.50 per hand, is $50, which is 50 bb's per 100; thanks again for clarifying this for me; konoki.
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:59 AM   #47
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my pleasure little buddy
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:57 PM   #48
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

This thread hurts.
1. In this day and age, why do people still not use ev-bb/100?
2. copying winning strategies is the easiest thing to do. Find the stats of a winning player over a large sample and copy them, or at least examine how they differ from yours. You’ll see a large number of different winning strategies, but you will rarely see someone with a 25% vpip from ep, or where your utg vpip is greater than your mp vpip.
3. It’s obvious you don’t understand some fundamental concepts / how to self-improve. Get a coach
4. The PLO forums on 2+2 is filled with consistently poor analysis. There are definitely a few insightful comments once in a while, but they are the exception. However, there are still forums on 2+2 with excellent analysis, and Excellent plo resources out there as well.
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:29 PM   #49
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To be honest I can't win at any level right now..I was break even at PLO50 for a long time, right now I am losing there too, not that much like at PLO100 but I am not a big winner..
I am a loosing player.
There are not only winners at this game there also losers, more losers than winners and I am one of the guys who is losing. I have to accept this. I am succesful in other fields in my life. I have a nice day job, I have another hobbys, where I actually winning and there is poker where I am losing right now.
There is a lesson, there is always a lesson and poker is a lesson for me.
I have to learn somethings from poker and move on.

To be honest I just have no motivation to play PLO10 or 25 for long time.
If I play poker than I need some motivation.
I try to learn the game but it doesn't work. The thing is, I don't even know, if I am able to learn the game in this way, that I am becoming one day a winning player, you know? Maybe there is ONE BIG LEAK, that I will never change no matter how hard I will try..and it will stop me from be a winning player everytime I play the game...
I know that I am doing somethings wrong thats for sure. There is somethings wrong in my mindset in my skillset and in everything that has to do to be a good and winning player. I understand many aspects of the game BUT there is more things in my game that bring me down, that put me to the ground...

Poker and PLO is a big challange, I don't know if I will ever master the challenge maybe not and I have to accept it one day that there is somethings stronger than me..There is/was one thing I couldn't master, doesn't matter how hard I was trying...like in sport not everybody can win at the olympics...
But you know I love the game, the competition, the environment..its nothing wrong with that beside the part I could spend my money on something else...
Your 1 big leak is your inability to move down to plo10 and play. You need to play and beat that stake first! End of story.

The fact that you can't move to plo10, is a mental leak. This game is 90% mental and if you can't fix this, you will never beat any stakes!

You have a gamblers mindset not a winners mindset!
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:33 PM   #50
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Your EP and MP is way way too loose! You need to stop opening up half of your hands in those positions.
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