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Old 03-06-2019, 08:13 AM   #1
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LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

And here we go:

Hand 1:
partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
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Player2 (UTG): $116.06 (116 bb)
Player3 (CO): $136.65 (137 bb)
Player5 (BU): $119.58 (120 bb)
Player6 (SB): $105.33 (105 bb)
MasterPLO (BB): $209.98 (210 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BB with J 9 A Q
2 players fold, Player5 (BU) raises to $3.50, 1 fold, MasterPLO (BB) 3-bets to $11, Player5 (BU) 4-bets to $33.50, MasterPLO (BB) calls $22.50

Flop: ($67.50) 4 3 J (2 players)
MasterPLO (BB) checks, Player5 (BU) bets $21.28, MasterPLO (BB) raises to $42.56, Player5 (BU) raises to $86.08 (all-in), MasterPLO (BB) calls $43.52

Turn: ($239.66) K (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($239.66) T (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $239.66 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Player5 (BU) shows 8 2 A A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 65%, Flop: 77%, Turn: 98%, River: 100%)

MasterPLO (BB) shows J 9 A Q (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 23%, Turn: 3%, River: 0%)

Player5 (BU) wins $236.66

Hand 2:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 6 players
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Player2 (UTG): $125.46 (125 bb)
Player3 (MP): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player4 (CO): $166.05 (166 bb)
MasterPLO (BU): $149.69 (150 bb)
Player6 (SB): $55.15 (55 bb)
Player1 (BB): $111.87 (112 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BTN with T 8 Q 9
2 players fold, Player4 (CO) raises to $3.50, MasterPLO (BU) calls $3.50, Player6 (SB) calls $3, Player1 (BB) 3-bets to $17.50, 1 fold, MasterPLO (BU) calls $14, Player6 (SB) calls $14

Flop: ($56) J 8 8 (3 players)
Player6 (SB) checks, Player1 (BB) bets $25, MasterPLO (BU) raises to $128.20, Player6 (SB) folds, Player1 (BB) calls $69.37 (all-in)

Turn: ($244.74) 5 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($244.74) A (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $244.74 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MasterPLO (BU) shows T 8 Q 9 (three of a kind, Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 41%, Flop: 88%, Turn: 85%, River: 0%)

Player1 (BB) shows 4 7 A A (a full house, Aces full of Eights)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 59%, Flop: 12%, Turn: 15%, River: 100%)

Player1 (BB) wins $241.74

Hand 3:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
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Player4 (UTG): $48.50 (49 bb)
Player5 (CO): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player6 (BU): $111.64 (112 bb)
Player1 (SB): $311.19 (311 bb)
MasterPLO (BB): $137.52 (138 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BB with A 5 A 5
2 players fold, Player6 (BU) raises to $3, 1 fold, MasterPLO (BB) 3-bets to $9.50, Player6 (BU) calls $6.50

Flop: ($19.50) A J 2 (2 players)
MasterPLO (BB) bets $13.89, Player6 (BU) calls $13.89

Turn: ($47.28) K (2 players)
MasterPLO (BB) checks, Player6 (BU) bets $25.50, MasterPLO (BB) raises to $114.13 (all-in), Player6 (BU) calls $62.75 (all-in)

River: ($223.78) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $223.78 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
MasterPLO (BB) shows A 5 A 5 (three of a kind, Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 75%, River: 0%)

Player6 (BU) shows 7 K 3 Q (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 25%, River: 100%)

Player6 (BU) wins $220.78

Hand 4:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
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Player2 (UTG): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player3 (CO): $197.38 (197 bb)
MasterPLO (BU): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player6 (SB): $68.03 (68 bb)
Player1 (BB): $272.22 (272 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BTN with A Q J J
Player2 (UTG) raises to $3.50, 1 fold, MasterPLO (BU) calls $3.50, 1 fold, Player1 (BB) calls $2.50

Flop: ($11) J 5 8 (3 players)
Player1 (BB) checks, Player2 (UTG) bets $8.15, MasterPLO (BU) raises to $34.90, Player1 (BB) folds, Player2 (UTG) raises to $96.50 (all-in), MasterPLO (BU) calls $61.60 (all-in)

Turn: ($204) K (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($204) 3 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $204 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Player2 (UTG) shows T 4 A A (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 69%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 75%, River: 100%)

MasterPLO (BU) shows A Q J J (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 31%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 25%, River: 0%)

Player2 (UTG) wins $201


Hand 5:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 5 players
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Player3 (UTG): $28.00 (28 bb)
Player4 (CO): $246.96 (247 bb)
Player6 (BU): $123.52 (124 bb)
MasterPLO (SB): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player2 (BB): $105.20 (105 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is SB with 9 A A 4
1 fold, Player4 (CO) raises to $3.50, 1 fold, MasterPLO (SB) 3-bets to $11.50, 1 fold, Player4 (CO) calls $8

Flop: ($24) J K 5 (2 players)
MasterPLO (SB) checks, Player4 (CO) bets $17.10, MasterPLO (SB) raises to $74.10, Player4 (CO) raises to $235.46 (all-in), MasterPLO (SB) calls $14.40 (all-in)

Turn: ($201) 8 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($201) T (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $201 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Player4 (CO) shows 5 4 5 6 (three of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 37%, Flop: 68%, Turn: 80%, River: 100%)

MasterPLO (SB) shows 9 A A 4 (a pair of Aces)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 63%, Flop: 32%, Turn: 20%, River: 0%)

Player4 (CO) wins $198

Hand 6:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 6 players
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Player6 (UTG): $133.68 (134 bb)
Player1 (MP): $110.38 (110 bb)
MasterPLO (CO): $178.90 (179 bb)
Player3 (BU): $144.48 (144 bb)
Player4 (SB): $202.44 (202 bb)
Player5 (BB): $111.30 (111 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is CO with 8 Q 9 Q
1 fold, Player1 (MP) raises to $3.50, MasterPLO (CO) calls $3.50, Player3 (BU) calls $3.50, 2 players fold

Flop: ($12) J 4 T (3 players)
Player1 (MP) checks, MasterPLO (CO) bets $8.55, Player3 (BU) raises to $29.92, Player1 (MP) folds, MasterPLO (CO) calls $21.37

Turn: ($71.84) 8 (2 players)
MasterPLO (CO) bets $68.84, Player3 (BU) raises to $111.06 (all-in), MasterPLO (CO) calls $42.22

River: ($293.96) Q (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $293.96 (Rake: $3)

Showdown:
Player3 (BU) shows A J K 7 (a straight, Ten to Ace)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 48%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 23%, River: 100%)

MasterPLO (CO) shows 8 Q 9 Q (a straight, Eight to Queen)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 52%, Flop: 50%, Turn: 78%, River: 0%)

Player3 (BU) wins $290.96

Hand 7:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 3 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

MasterPLO (BU): $100.00 (100 bb)
Player3 (SB): $161.78 (162 bb)
Player4 (BB): $327.68 (328 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BTN with K K J Q
MasterPLO (BU) raises to $3.50, Player3 (SB) 3-bets to $11.50, Player4 (BB) calls $10.50, MasterPLO (BU) calls $8

Flop: ($34.50) J J 3 (3 players)
Player3 (SB) bets $24.58, Player4 (BB) folds, MasterPLO (BU) raises to $88.50 (all-in), Player3 (SB) calls $63.92

Turn: ($211.50) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($211.50) 6 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $211.50 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
MasterPLO (BU) shows K K J Q (three of a kind, Jacks)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 33%, Flop: 64%, Turn: 15%, River: 0%)

Player3 (SB) shows A T A 5 (a flush, Ace high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 67%, Flop: 36%, Turn: 85%, River: 100%)

Player3 (SB) wins $209.50

Hand 8:

partypoker, Omaha Pot Limit - $0.50/$1.00 - 4 players
Replay this hand on Upswing Poker

Player3 (UTG): $105.33 (105 bb)
MasterPLO (BU): $109.75 (110 bb)
Player1 (SB): $127.15 (127 bb)
Player2 (BB): $150.50 (151 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($1.50) Hero (MasterPLO) is BTN with 9 J 9 2
Player3 (UTG) raises to $3.50, MasterPLO (BU) calls $3.50, 2 players fold

Flop: ($8.50) 9 2 T (2 players)
Player3 (UTG) bets $5.50, MasterPLO (BU) raises to $19.81, Player3 (UTG) raises to $67.51, MasterPLO (BU) raises to $106.25 (all-in), Player3 (UTG) calls $34.32 (all-in)

Turn: ($212.16) 4 (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($212.16) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: $212.16 (Rake: $2)

Showdown:
MasterPLO (BU) shows 9 J 9 2 (three of a kind, Nines)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 53%, Flop: 51%, Turn: 60%, River: 0%)

Player3 (UTG) shows K 8 7 J (a straight, Six to Ten)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 47%, Flop: 49%, Turn: 40%, River: 100%)

Player3 (UTG) wins $210.16

I am done!
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Old 03-06-2019, 08:17 AM   #2
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

I've read a couple of your hands, but it seems like you suck at PLO.
No bad feelings.
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:22 PM   #3
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These things happen every session, not quite sure what's the purpose of this thread?
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Old 03-06-2019, 01:34 PM   #4
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These things happen every session, not quite sure what's the purpose of this thread?
I think it is so OP can whine about negative variance.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:16 PM   #5
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

this mostly looks standard tbf.

the thing is, if you stopped just jamming every single flop and played some poker instead, you wouldn't be taking so many flips on and would have equity advantages on turns and be able to fold a lot of rivers, earning/saving money. getting it in on flops is mostly very high variance.
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:29 PM   #6
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These things happen every session, not quite sure what's the purpose of this thread?
I am running 40 buy ins under EV... I can't win any single big pot at PLO100... its a big joke. It doesn't matter how much equity I have on the flop 60 and 70%, who cares, who the f***cares... I know every single time whats going to happen...I can't just win!! AND NOT ONE SINGLE SESSION its over 2 years now EVERY SESSION!!!
Most of the coinflips I am going to lose...of course I can't suck out with just only 30%..Its so horrible..the game is a big joke!!
I can post 100 hand where I was big favorite and didnt't win.
Its a joke!
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:41 PM   #7
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rigged thread is that a way bro
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Old 03-06-2019, 02:45 PM   #8
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[ ] being a good player
[x] losing for 2 years straight
[x] in denial about being a fish
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:16 PM   #9
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This is funny to read bc I used to raise all flops like this guy while yelling in my jnandez voice "WE ARE NEVER FOLDING HERE!"
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:18 PM   #10
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hand 1: Cooler, but you don't have to rip it in on the flop ... like it's so likely you have a hand exactly like you have.

hand 2: Unlucky, but pre. is marginal and flop is meh. letting villains fold a lot when you'll have position on them.

hand 3: Unlucky.

hand 4: Unlucky, but pre. is marginal. Flop seems bad, again you have position and are setting fire to that value.

hand 5: Unlucky, but flop x/r seems bad. Flop hits your hand and your range, bet. x/r gets lots of folds when villain is behind, all-ins when villain has flips+.

hand 6: Cooler, but pre. is marginal. You hit the absolute nut flop and are 50%.

hand 7: Unlucky, but again raising here when you position and visibility: .

hand 8: Cooler, but fold pre. Then just call flop. Do you really play this way at PLO 50 and win??

Ps. 8 hands is lol.
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I am running 40 buy ins under EV... I can't win any single big pot at PLO100... its a big joke. It doesn't matter how much equity I have on the flop 60 and 70%, who cares, who the f***cares... I know every single time whats going to happen...I can't just win!! AND NOT ONE SINGLE SESSION its over 2 years now EVERY SESSION!!!
Most of the coinflips I am going to lose...of course I can't suck out with just only 30%..Its so horrible..the game is a big joke!!
I can post 100 hand where I was big favorite and didnt't win.
Its a joke!
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Old 03-07-2019, 02:59 AM   #12
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I am running 40 buy ins under EV... I can't win any single big pot at PLO100... its a big joke. It doesn't matter how much equity I have on the flop 60 and 70%, who cares, who the f***cares... I know every single time whats going to happen...I can't just win!! AND NOT ONE SINGLE SESSION its over 2 years now EVERY SESSION!!!
Most of the coinflips I am going to lose...of course I can't suck out with just only 30%..Its so horrible..the game is a big joke!!
I can post 100 hand where I was big favorite and didnt't win.
Its a joke!
show us the graph for the 2 years then, not just cherry-picked "bad beats"
And 40 buyin is nothing, once i had a 100 buyin below EV MONTH. Did i care? No, because I got the money in GOOD and that's all you can do, why the **** would you whine about getting the money in good? People are trying to give you their money, shut the **** up, put in a new tampon and keep grinding you, big baby.
Do you think you are the first guy to run badly in PLO? This happens to every PLO player daily. It's funny how people whine when they run bad, but i haven't ever seen a thread when someone runs 40buyin ABOVE EV, then nobody bats an eye but when you face the other side of the coin the whole world is conspiring against you and you blame everything from the government to your old high school teacher for all those bad beats.

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Old 03-07-2019, 09:09 AM   #13
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just run more like this
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just run more like this
Agreed.

I'm up 51 stacks in ev my last 19k hands . I'm 7 stacks under in my last 462 hands. I'm confident not a single person cares about either thing. In conclusion, Martin stop being a ***** and get better.

edit: I didn't even realize that's an OG PT graph and likely not yours
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Damn, I too had a bad run while drinking my coffee today
OP we must stay strong, wish me luck
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show us the graph for the 2 years then, not just cherry-picked "bad beats"
here we go:
first one on partypoker:
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and pokerstars:
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any question ??
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any question ??
you realize you're huge fish in these games, right? Something tells me that when you "run bad" and are constantly getting in with 40% or less equity that > 25k hands is needed to make sense of the world being against you. Get better instead of blaming other things for your shortcomings.
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Old 03-07-2019, 04:42 PM   #19
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yeah you are right isolated. I am a loosing player, I know that. I am facing the reality and no matter what I did the last 2 years, I am still a big fish at PLO 100 games. I know that!
I wish I could run better in my all in pots, I just wish it but I can't change it and I have to move on...I am just stop playing once again because right now I am burnig money..
I know I have the passion for the game, thats why i still playing from time to time and I will work on my leaks, going through my hands and try to get better..get coaching, watch videos and make notes.
I know my leaks: lack of disciplin, weak brm, weak tilt control and wrong mindset overall and poor skillset for this level..
Maybe one day I get my key moment and will finally wining maybe not but I still love the game...thats the one thing I know!

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Old 03-07-2019, 05:21 PM   #20
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Your title suggests you win at another level? Any plo50 graphs? How about plo25? plo10? What made you decide to just play plo100?

25k hands in 2 years is the sort of volume rec whales put in..

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Old 03-07-2019, 06:31 PM   #21
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To be honest I can't win at any level right now..I was break even at PLO50 for a long time, right now I am losing there too, not that much like at PLO100 but I am not a big winner..
I am a loosing player.
There are not only winners at this game there also losers, more losers than winners and I am one of the guys who is losing. I have to accept this. I am succesful in other fields in my life. I have a nice day job, I have another hobbys, where I actually winning and there is poker where I am losing right now.
There is a lesson, there is always a lesson and poker is a lesson for me.
I have to learn somethings from poker and move on.

To be honest I just have no motivation to play PLO10 or 25 for long time.
If I play poker than I need some motivation.
I try to learn the game but it doesn't work. The thing is, I don't even know, if I am able to learn the game in this way, that I am becoming one day a winning player, you know? Maybe there is ONE BIG LEAK, that I will never change no matter how hard I will try..and it will stop me from be a winning player everytime I play the game...
I know that I am doing somethings wrong thats for sure. There is somethings wrong in my mindset in my skillset and in everything that has to do to be a good and winning player. I understand many aspects of the game BUT there is more things in my game that bring me down, that put me to the ground...

Poker and PLO is a big challange, I don't know if I will ever master the challenge maybe not and I have to accept it one day that there is somethings stronger than me..There is/was one thing I couldn't master, doesn't matter how hard I was trying...like in sport not everybody can win at the olympics...
But you know I love the game, the competition, the environment..its nothing wrong with that beside the part I could spend my money on something else...

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Old 03-07-2019, 08:49 PM   #22
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hey man if you like the game it doesn't have to be all about money. you can just play for fun.

but your graphs suggest you get it in behind and lose so i don't see what the complaining is about.

get better. try playing streets instead of just jamming every flop.

how much are you down across all games lifetime total ?

have heart - i was a slightly losing/break even player and had bad tendencies to chase losses by playing higher than BRM allowed and by just smashing the pot button whenever i got bad beat. i went away and worked on it and this is my last ever shot at poker.

i just sat out my 4 tables for the evening and was 2000bb up across them. only playing plo2 and plo5 but i'm already up €83 in 2 days. maybe you could try dropping down ? the lower levels are laughably bad you should be able to win there. get confidence up and then try building on it instead of moaning.

if it's too low for you then it seems it's not the game you like, but gambling. which isn'tr healthy. you're like 10k+ down....time to work on your game.
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Old 03-08-2019, 03:32 AM   #23
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

How about posting some stats?

also I would read up on cosmic ordering. Your mind set is one of a loosing player and this is the first thing that needs to change before you turn your results around.

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Old 03-08-2019, 06:39 AM   #24
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OP my dude, just play for fun
Also let me know if you want to play HU vs me, I'm available 24/7 and can teach you some stuff
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Old 03-08-2019, 09:03 AM   #25
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Re: LOL some PLO100 hands thats why I can't win there

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