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08-16-2018 , 08:13 PM
I mentioned this in passing on the beginner thread.

Live $1-3 PLO. Washington cardroom rules: $300 max bet, four bets max per street not counting straddle.


Stacks and reads:
SB appears South Asian, unknown to me. $150 stack
Button ("Maniac") is East European. I've played against him several times lately. To the extent he cares, he should perceive me as tight but willing to gamble when called for. His play depends on mood, but right now I judge him to be playing about 60/60 preflop. $809 stack.

I barely cover Maniac, something like $875.

7 handed
I have AAQ7 in the SB
Maniac straddles button for $10
SB calls
I call
Maniac raises to $50
SB calls
Hero ?????

If I call I have $759 behind with a pot of probably $160 (SPR=4.75) or $210 (3.6; they're very loose for anything under $100 preflop in this game). If I pot, I have $599 behind with $570 in the pot, having put 26% of the effective stack in.

My thoughts in next post.
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08-16-2018 , 08:22 PM
My thoughts:

Spoiler:
A good friend thinks I should call and basically set-or-flush-draw mine here. If stacks are say $75 shorter, so I can make it $210 to go with $525 behind, flatting is atrocious IMO. Bad aces have problems realizing their value at SPR around 4; OOP against a maniac there are many flops where he can force me off a huge amount of equity or force me into really marginal calldowns.

At these stacks, I think flatting is barely worth considering, but still bad. The old rule of thumb says "It's always OK to jam AAxx preflop if you can put in at least 1/3 of your stack." I'm $60 short of putting in 1/3 but my arguments for shading that number down are:

1. Against a maniac I'm more likely to get value. E.g. It's likely he would stack off with overpair KK or QQ no matter how face up my hand should be.

2. The third player makes the pot bigger (SPR lower) but he's all-in so he doesn't complicate my postflop play

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08-16-2018 , 10:01 PM
Click it back for lulz

srs

or pot and pot floppies

don't flat

click it back will be most +EV if sb has a brain (and thus will rejam) or if mainac is actually a maniac and will reship. If sb doesn't have a brain AND maniac isn't a maniac, pot
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08-16-2018 , 10:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Loctus
Click it back for lulz

srs
Interesting idea. But just to be clear.... if I minraise, Maniac calls, SB shoves, that caps the betting.

(Hey, AKQJ10: You said what? "Caps the betting"? This is pot-limit, right? WTF?!

Yes, yes. I said caps the betting. It's sort of PL. It's sort of spread limit poker. Welcome to Washington.)


Quote:
Originally Posted by AKQJ10
Washington cardroom rules: $300 max bet, four bets max per street not counting straddle.
So I love the idea in actual pot-limit but like it less here; it just means the SPR is closer to 1.5 than 1.0, and the times that Maniac completely whiffs he might find a fold.
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08-17-2018 , 03:58 PM
Is it 300 total cap or per street

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08-17-2018 , 05:44 PM
$300 bet. As much as $1200 could go in on one street (if the pot started at $300). Bet and three raises is the cap.
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08-17-2018 , 07:13 PM
So are you in the BB or ?
Quote:
I have AAQ7 in the SB
Maniac straddles button for $10
SB calls
I call

Anyway, I say raise pot. The nice thing is that the maniac will probably have a lot of rough hands here that play poorly against a three bet, stuff like unsuited not highly connected kings, or a hand like KQ82 with a suit.
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08-17-2018 , 07:53 PM
Sorry, yes, typo. I'm in the big blind against a button straddle and SB call.
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08-17-2018 , 08:13 PM
Continuation:

I agree with the reasoning above. I potted to $210. Limper folded,Button called, SB all in for $150.

Flop ($460 main, $120 side, $599 effective, SPR just over 1)

Js5s2h

So pretty much a whiff but we've committed ourselves and it's not that scary. I bet the max $300 (Limit O high, hooray) and called the maniac's shove. Seems standard right?
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08-17-2018 , 08:23 PM
Yes, with such a low SPR you cannot afford to be picky about the boards you stack off on. This one is ok all things considered.

I don't think that the initial flat call was a mistake, but you could come in for a raise as well. With a much smaller stack size, and a nitty image, then just calling is strongly preferred.
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