Hero: KdKc6d4h in SB. 1/3 w/ $5 bring in. $700 effective.

UTG Straddles $10. 5 limpers to see the flop. Hero Calls $10, BB folds. UTG checks.

Flop ($60): Ks8s2d
Hero bets pot. Folded to Button who is a good LAG who calls down too much. But is often very tough to play against.

Turn ($180): Td. Hero bets pot. Villain calls.

River ($540): 5s. Hero ???.

In the hand I checked and I think that is correct, but now what do I do if the Villain pots? Or if they bet say half pot? Is this just a snap check call any bet?

Thanks

Uh, no, he peeled K82 what do u think he is drawing to a straight?

He will raise on flop or turn all top2 or better with flushdraws, perhaps even bare top2 and sets, the only available thing on flop to draw into is flushdraw and that completed. the only thing he could turn into bluff are something like K2+missed diamond draw or 82 missed diamond draw, that part of his range is disproportionally low compared to all hands that completed.

You would need to assume he is floating you extremely light on flop with something like T976 with alot of backdoors and alot of those hands actually for you to call profitably, this image doesnt fit "good lag", rather someone on "must win all pots" tilt. It cant even be someone who is so extremely good at knowing you because with floating he is literally relying on you folding flush completing turn/river and even you dont know if you would fold or call, thats why you made this thread.

This is unfortunate fold, it hits most of his range so hard you dont have the price to call profitably.

Well seems weak if we just check fold everytime a bad card peels off.

Because a guy like a good LAG specifically, will just start floating you all day every day and firing all scare cards.

What is the price to call profitably, I guess is what I need to figure out? A pot sized bet is a fold. Half pot? 1/3 pot?

1. Raise pre.

2. You aren't required to bet pot, it's "pot limit" not "pot or check".

3. Bet AsXs the same way, and check river.

As played lol fold to almost anything.

Technically this depends on your range. Like if he bets pot then you need to call 1/3 of the time, so you call a 1/3 of your range. KK with no spades is a terrible hand to choose, you should have a decent number of flushes here so they are obviously calls ... but then also something like 88 with a spade is a better call because he can then much more easily have KQJ type hands and be bluffing.

I suspect the real question is close to "with this line I've always got KK, and I feel like I'm getting owned on the river" ... which might be true, but the river is not the problem.

Might as well put your hand face up on the table in front of you with this line

I like Loctus suggestion.

Just turn your cards over.

Perhaps my lovely NL phrase applies to PLO also ... "Don't go broke in a limped pot."

Your image and history with V is pretty important here. It sounds like you do have some hisotry. What other hands would V have that you beat, other sets, AA and bluffs?

A Donk Pot bet OTF is pretty straight forward on this Board. Would you ever do this with a flush draw yourself? What kind of action would expect on the Board in this game? I can have some checks but certainly no one should disagree too much that we want to build a pot here. What are we afraid of on the Turn? Really only a flush card unless someone actually slow played AAxx in there. Do we really need to Pot it to get max value or is it so important to thin the field here?

Once we get HU we can scale down our bet or go for a c/r based on history. A ten does help lots of middle type holdings that would try to limp PF so we probably want to charge something so it doesn't check through. But if this is the type of V that will call no matter what then a pot bet works. The issue is your image ... would you 'ever' Pot bet a Turn if you missed your draw ... or with AA/AK/AT/wrap+ ... or are we basically turning our hand face up at this point as others have stated. That's the issue we have when OOP, we probably have less bluffs/draws in our betting range than if we were OTB here.

What to do on the River? Why can't you scale down here 'for value' (actually a block bet here). Again, what history do you have. If you are an all or nothing bettor on the River then you have to hope that V has no flush or 'can' fold a medium flush.

How much do we call? Not sure we can help you from afar too much. Did you give off any physical tells with your check that may increase potential bluffs?

In general I think it's best to lay low, or at least gear down our betting size, on the Flop (and maybe the Turn as well) when in a limp pot and/or OOP and then spring a c/pot in there if presented with a 'better' spot. Hopefully this will widen our range to opponents and create more spots we can call from on these types of Rivers.

'Obviously' a c/pot is also a cards face-up move on the Flop as well, but it will at least grow the pot a little bigger now that someone else has put chips into the middle first.

Hard to say there is a large variance between right and 'wrong' here. GL