Ok this is a nlhe home game that runs two orbits of PLO over the 5 hours.

Sb has no clue what he is doing in plo. Two hands ago he got AI on river with A high flush on Q7477 after rivering his flush.

Mp hasn't gotten out of line in nlhe but I don't know much about his PLO game. Only hand of note he limp 4! AA when it got raised to $12 someone 3! To $17 all in and someone called. He back 4! All in for $250ish with original raiser behind.

Sb $115
Mp $300
Hero covers

Pre. 1 limp, MP to $10, one call hero calls with KKT7, sb calls, limper call.

Flop 5 ways ($52): J95
C, mp bets $40, fold, hero calls, sb calls

Turn 3 ways ($170): 6
Sb shoves $65, MP insta shoves, $195 to hero?

snapfold against fish

3b preflop, pot flop

as played x/R flop is mandatory, you have 2nfd and double gutter and you want to build a pot

you are way ahead of SB range and MP could easily be bcbetting too much(NLH players habit). Even if you are up against a set you have 46%

It was the sb who checked flop. I'm on btn so no x/r but I could raise flop.

Thanks I wasn't sure if flop was a raise or flat 150bb deep. Also not sure about turn once it's shoved to me.

Also at the time I didn't realize I had a double gutter. I thought just the Q gave me the straight. Had I read my hand better I would have raised flop.

Any thoughts on turn?

Yes flop is a raise and had I not missread my hand I would have.

Turn fairly easy fold.

Flop can be a raise, but call can be okay, just depends on reads. If you think they are stationy and not trappy with strong draws (or know to raise them) then I'd probably just pot.

Pre is not a repot wtf.

Why are you calling these strong hands? Like these are solidly top 10% hands that you're not pushing in shallowish stack scenarios.

If MP is not a psycho, he has the nuts. How are you doing vs the nuts? There's 7 hearts that almost always get you the pot, 2 that usually do, and three more 8's that sometimes do. So you probably have roughly 20%-25% equity getting 2.2:1 to call it off. Probably not enough. You should fold.

Hero also has a gutter to the nutter in the form of a queen. So that is another 7.5% equity.

You’re right, I’m sorry that I missed that.

This could be worth a call in that case. Really it’s so close that you can almost base the decision on how much bankroll you have


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Turn is a trivial fold. Raise pre.

New to PLO, but why not count 2 of the eights towards our equity as chop outs?

I have been 50/50 on 3! v flatting pre, though the flop is a raise imo.

As played I don’t think I’m folding.

Thanks everyone.

Some responses to the questions. Please let me know if I'm thinking about these wrong...

Why not 3! Pre? It's a live nlhe game with 2 orbits of PLO. Usually 6/10 are terrible at PLO (maybe me too haha) 1 or 2 don't know basic PLO rules (using 2 cards) and the rest are ho hum. So I almost never see someone pot it pre with out AAxx. I do open in plo for pot on many hands but I rarely 3! Because I know the opener has AAxx 9/10 times and will repot. I would rather look for better post flop spots than just pick hands to coin flip with AA with.

Raise the flop? Yes, I missread my hand I didn't realize the 8 was an out. I thought I had hearts (assuming MPs AA weren't nfd) a K and a Q were semi clean outs. Had I read the hand right I would have jammed flop.

Other than missreading my hand not sure if the thought process was wrong there. Please let me know if you disagree.

Turn I did tank fold.

Results.