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Old 03-19-2019, 08:21 AM   #1
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Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

So playing a home game that is nlh but one orbit of PLO and one orbit of crazy pineapple over the 5 hours.

1st hand. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't spewing committing on the flop this deep.

Hero $500, BB $140, HJ, CO and btn all have me covered. UTG $180, SB $45


2 limps, hero limps MP1 w/ . AQT6, 1 fold, all others limp.

Flop $18 - KJ7
Sb c, BB bets $18, utg calls, hero raise to $90

The rest of the hand is boring I get it in w/ sb and bb who have all my outs locked up. Just wondering if committing this deep with 3 bigger stacks behind me is bad.


Hand 2 let's play from villains point of view as it's more interesting.

This is the very next hand. In this case I am villain and I just lost the above pot. Also Hero in this hand has run good against villain and shown some bluffs. Villian thinks hero is really laggy.

Villain $360 hero covers.

Pre 2 limps hero makes it $15 with
KJ98
5 callers

Flop $93 - KJ2
Checks to hero who bets $80. Folds to villain (loser in above hand) who shoves (once hu it goes to nl Omaha). Hero?
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Old 03-19-2019, 09:13 AM   #2
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

Sorry in hand 2 the flop is KJ2

Had suits backwards on J and 2.
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:00 AM   #3
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

fold pre

hand 2 is a call u are getting 2:1 with top two. generally you only fold this hand to a flop raise in really high spr situations, like limped pots
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Old 03-19-2019, 11:47 AM   #4
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

Hand 1 - the only mistake you could make is to fold. GII is fine, smooth call is also fine.

Hand 2 - bet/call is optimal.
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Old 03-19-2019, 03:01 PM   #5
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

hand 1, don't limp mostly fold. You really don't want to be playing a high SPR pot with the stacks that have you covered. Raising is ok, as long as people can find the fold button. You can gamble with SB too and be in fine shape. Flop raise is spew, if any of the 3 bigger stacks don't fold you are drawing to 9 non-nut outs and a bunch of the outs might be dead (and if any of them raise you should fold). Getting it in with SB and BB is whatever, at least they won't hurt you too much.

Hand #2 seems fine, every street. Hero also has two backdoor flush draws if he gets unlucky.
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Old 03-19-2019, 04:48 PM   #6
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

In hand 1, the pot is $18 on the flop in a 1/2 game with players only limping. This means there are 9 players in the pot. SB checks, BB bets pot into 7 players, your flush draw is weak, if you GII, you are probably against a set or the nut flush draw. You don't know the strength of the hands behind you.

Against a hand with the nut flush draw you are in bad shape.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
5,005,280 trials (Exhaustive)
board: KJ7
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AdQhTc6c37.84% 1,717,854352,367
Ac*c62.16% 2,935,059352,367

SPR against SB = 7.7
SPR against players behind you = 28
You don't commit your stack here.

Fold pre so you don't end up in these situations.
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Old 03-19-2019, 06:30 PM   #7
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

especially with the flop being 9 way definitely best to just peel vs the PSB and call
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Old 03-19-2019, 07:26 PM   #8
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

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Originally Posted by Mike2.0 View Post
In hand 1, the pot is $18 on the flop in a 1/2 game with players only limping. This means there are 9 players in the pot. SB checks, BB bets pot into 7 players, your flush draw is weak, if you GII, you are probably against a set or the nut flush draw. You don't know the strength of the hands behind you.

Against a hand with the nut flush draw you are in bad shape.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
5,005,280 trials (Exhaustive)
board: KJ7
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
AdQhTc6c37.84% 1,717,854352,367
Ac*c62.16% 2,935,059352,367

SPR against SB = 7.7
SPR against players behind you = 28
You don't commit your stack here.

Fold pre so you don't end up in these situations.

Wow I need to stove some PLO spots. Didn't realize I was that bad of shape.
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Old 03-20-2019, 01:32 AM   #9
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

Raising hand 1 is sometimes ok, more villain-dependent than anyrhing else. But obviously fols pre.

Hand 2 i think the sizing is too large. Calling off seems borderline, but i can see us being commited with this sizing vs many opponents

Describing a raise hand 1 as spew is really not accurate at all imo, there are many positive aspects and outcomes to raising here, including villains folding better flush draws.
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Old 03-20-2019, 04:17 AM   #10
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

x/r flop all in and open jam pre
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Old 03-20-2019, 06:54 AM   #11
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

Thanks everyone. For hand 1 are we just dumping most hands w/o non-nutritious flush cards or big pairs pre in live PLO? I realize we are going to be hitting the flop 5+ ways most of the time so it makes sense to play nutty type hands instead of hands that flop decent frequently.

For anyone looking for results hand 1 got it in with SB and BB who had JJAQ (QJ cc) and AKQ4 (nut flush draw). I stoved it and I had 17%

Hand 2 I was villain and hero asked if we could run it 3x I said "splitting a pot 3 ways sucks give the dealer (game host who doesn't play) $5 and we can do it, else just once." Not sure if that fed into his decision but he threw $5 to the dealer and I held w/ JJ9Tds on all boards.
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:46 PM   #12
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Re: Live 1/2 PLO 2 hands

Fold or iso with this hand. If you can get HU with fish raising can be okay, but tend to fold.

Raising flop can be okay if you think they have much bet fold or fold out worse fds, but generally I'd just go to a safe turn.

KJ98 call off. Pot instead though.
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