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12-30-2018 , 05:00 AM
Hi,

Pretty much lost on all streets.

Flop: not sure about the lead 4way, getting raised sucks as the FD is mostly not good, but equity with the wrap should still be reasonable. As played, facing this sizing feels like a call

Turn: torn between betting and checking. Just potting it shouldn't be too bad with SPR 1. Not expecting too many folds, though.

River: not sure about the call. My reasoning for calling is he can still be value jamming TTxx. Fold seems absurd.

Appreciate all thoughts and comments! Thanks


Here's the hand:

iPoker - €0.20 PL Hi - Omaha Hi - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: €19.58 (VPIP: 90.70, PFR: 30.23, 3Bet Preflop: 26.09, Hands: 45)
SB: €14.13 (VPIP: 61.54, PFR: 38.46, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 13)
BB: €20.76 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 20.51, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 39)
Hero (CO): €21.95

SB posts SB €0.10, BB posts BB €0.20

Pre Flop: (pot: €0.30) Hero has 4 6 3 5

Hero raises to €0.60, BTN calls €0.60, SB calls €0.50, BB calls €0.40

Flop: (€2.40, 4 players) 2 T 5
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets €1.80, fold, SB raises to €3.60, fold, Hero calls €1.80

Turn: (€9.60, 2 players) 7
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (€9.60, 2 players) 6
SB bets €9.60, Hero calls €9.60,
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12-30-2018 , 11:42 AM
I reraise the flop and try and get it in.

If you have any fold equity raising is good here.

His range is overpair, flush draws, same straight draw, AT, two pair and you are beating that range.

As played I pot the turn again to get him to fold his equity.

As played calling the river seems good.
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12-30-2018 , 06:08 PM
You are way too worried on the flop, you only have 13 hands on him but villain showing 60% VPIP so far and calling from the SB is a pretty good indication he has wide ranges here. You have a pair+wrap+flush draw, which dominates a lot of SB's range having just some of that. Sometimes SB is lucky but often he'll have any 2 pair+ or even like random 43 ... most aren't folding rando 22 here though so while raising is fine, I'd call waiting for a non board pairing card.

Shoving turn or checking with lots of visibility are both fine some of the time (we would call if he shoved, so us shoving can't be worse than that). River is obvious (don't do the absurd thing), sometimes he has random 98, if so gg.
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12-30-2018 , 08:17 PM
checking flop might be better, u guys r treating this 5 hi flush draw like it is flopped set of aces
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12-31-2018 , 01:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PokerPlayingGamble
checking flop might be better, u guys r treating this 5 hi flush draw like it is flopped set of aces
He is literally at worst a 60/40 favorite vs the likely range here. And a favorite albeit small vs the nuts. Unless you are putting V on exactly AA34ss type hands you are a major favorite and should like to get all the money in you can.

But in actual gameflow you should know that a pair plus flush plus wrap means GII if you can. If V has spades you are blocking it and have pair and wrap draws. If he has a wrap you have spades and pair draws. If he has a set or two pair you have spades and wrap. If he has something like AA34ss it is a bad beat.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
600,000 trials (Randomized)
board: 2T5
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4h6h3s5s59.04% 352,4023,634
TT, 55, 22, T5, T2, 52, As3s4, KsK3s40.96% 243,9643,634

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
2,152,500 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 2T5
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4h6h3s5s51.87% 1,113,1526,589
TT48.13% 1,032,7596,589

Last edited by 10bbloser; 12-31-2018 at 01:22 AM.
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12-31-2018 , 02:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 10bbloser
He is literally at worst a 60/40 favorite vs the likely range here.
It's not quite that good, because he probably doesn't have a 100% preflop range and you limited your flush ranges more than you wanted to (I assume):

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
8,280,360 trials (Exhaustive)
board: 2T5
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
4h6h3s5s57.58% 4,744,21147,367
(TT, 55, 22, T5, T2, 52, As34:ss, KsK3:ss):60%42.42% 3,488,78247,367

...also note that it's not a given he x/r _every_ 52 but only As43:ss (Eg. including AsT:ss gives villains more equity ... although there are other reasons he might not want to x/r that). In particular I'd be unsurprised to see JJ+:ss in SBs range.


Saying all that I think not betting when we only have a pair of 5s right now is not a good thing to be doing a lot of the time, and I don't mind stacking off for various reasons ... but bet/call would be my normal approach.
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12-31-2018 , 10:23 AM
I probably shovel it in on the flop, but considering position I guess calling is fine. The issue is that calling lets us make some ridiculous mistakes on later Streets while flop shovelling just simply cant be bad.

As played turn looks like easy pot. No reason not to. He May very well fold which is amazing, and getting it in is not bad
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12-31-2018 , 06:02 PM
High variance hand, this is why 30 year old Omaha players look like they're 70. Shovel it in and bask in the pain. Omaha is for masochists.
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01-03-2019 , 11:47 AM
Appreciate the feedback! Very good points, gentlemen.
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