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10-17-2017 , 09:11 AM
What omaha is really teach me in poker to not build big pot to give up on later street , in this hand i dont belive this guy would turn a worst T to a bluff , but i think he would call that bet sometime with a worst T.
This hand was really bed to my Nonsdwinning , and my attitude .

    Party, $0.25/$0.50 Pot Limit Omaha Cash, 6 Players
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    SB: $68.01 (136 bb)
    BB: $72.84 (145.7 bb)
    UTG: $62.15 (124.3 bb)
    MP: $122.81 (245.6 bb)
    CO: $50 (100 bb)
    Hero (BTN): $164.65 (329.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BTN with K Q 6 T
    UTG folds, MP raises to $1.75, CO folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, MP calls $4.25

    Flop: ($12.75) A T 2 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $7.50, MP calls $7.50

    Turn: ($27.75) T (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $16.50, MP calls $16.50

    River: ($60.75) 9 (2 players)
    MP checks, Hero bets $38.50, MP raises to $92.81 and is all-in, Hero folds

    Spoiler:
    Results: $137.75 pot ($3 rake)
    Final Board: A T 2 T 9
    MP mucked and won $134.75 ($66.25 net)
    Hero mucked K Q 6 T and lost (-$68.50 net)
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    10-17-2017 , 09:41 AM
    Why are you 3-betting KQT6ds? Call on button is find, I prefer fold to 3-bet here.

    I usually check flop. We're not ahead very much and we have very few good turn or river cards for our hand. If you're going to win this hand you probably need to improve. Guess we fold out KK/QQ without anything else going on so it's not all bad.

    Turn bet seems fine.

    On river, what worse hands do you think call here? How does he 3-bet, call flop and call turn with a worse T? The 9 is a sneaky bad card because a lot of the hands that V calls a 3-bet with that have a T and don't have an A have a 9 instead, i.e. QJT9, JT98, etc. Hard for me to think of a worse T that gets to the river. Maybe QQJT with QJcc?
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    10-17-2017 , 10:48 AM
    i 3bet here , becouse we deep , put the pressure on , i think is should be fine here.
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    10-17-2017 , 11:08 AM
    Definitely 3bet pre. Everything is fine until the river bet. Pot is already 110 BB and you'd be happy to take it down with trips.

    Another approach I would entertain is check turn and see if he leads river and go from there.
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    10-17-2017 , 01:03 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Itsmyfault
    Definitely 3bet pre. Everything is fine until the river bet. Pot is already 110 BB and you'd be happy to take it down with trips.

    Another approach I would entertain is check turn and see if he leads river and go from there.
    i think you're being biased here, this hand is the next best thing after a boat and has to be a valuebet on that board.
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    10-17-2017 , 02:29 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by md46135
    i think you're being biased here, this hand is the next best thing after a boat and has to be a valuebet on that board.
    I don't think it's being biased.. It's just hard to find a worse hand that we get value from in this spot, regardless of MP's river line.

    Like MIB said that 9 is a pretty bad card if MP is opening a tight range, the best we can hope to get called by is a hand like QJT8, 78TJ? AA, AT and bare fd/wrap type stuff aside, his continuing range on flop is going to be alot of KQT, KJT, QTJ, T68-78cc, JT7cc, all of which smash that 9 if he's opening a reasonably tight range. We also can't rule out AA (mp is deep and oop) and AT (fold out bluffs if we raise turn, get value owned by AA/split with AT) which probably make up a decent portion of his river range in this spot.

    I probably overlooked/missed some stuff, but I don't think this is a clear cut value bet like you think..
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    10-17-2017 , 02:39 PM
    i would go for the safe showdown
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    10-17-2017 , 03:00 PM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by bustobrah
    We also can't rule out AA
    Now looking at the stacks again, it would make a lot of sense for villain to have terrible rainbow aces. Thats why he just cold calling also, not raising.. to keep the bettor in the pot.
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    10-17-2017 , 03:57 PM
    Your line looks alright to me. River's definitely a fold. Props to villain if he ever has a bluff here. Even if he somehow found a hand to bluff, we'll have lots of AA/AT here to call.
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    10-17-2017 , 08:36 PM
    I don't see any problems with this hand, looks fine to me.
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    10-18-2017 , 01:22 AM
    pre. call or 3bet seems fine.

    Flop bluff also fine, you can obviously rep. AA a lot here.

    Turn is kind of weird bluff/value, your hand is kind of over repped but you want clubs and random Ts to fold.

    River seems bad, would be interested in what Solar thinks we are doing when we bet.
    I guess hope to get hero calls (but not bluffs) by AKQJ/AKc*c and calls from random lower Ts?
    But how many lower Ts are there? Villain calls flop with QJTcc and doesn't have K or 9? JT87cc? lol, so many combos .

    Not sure how much villain raises river with T9 here either, not that it makes it a call ... it's hard to not feel owned though.
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    10-18-2017 , 05:34 AM
    Strange line by villain unless he has AT or as others have pointed out a rundown with clubs that he then boats up. I still like the river bet. Those advocating a check back is too nitty.


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    10-18-2017 , 11:50 AM
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lucaspawpaw16
    I still like the river bet. Those advocating a check back is too nitty.
    So for those of us nits, can you explain what you think villains range is and what he calls a river bet with?
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    10-18-2017 , 01:32 PM
    continuation bet is right after you spew pre. once he calls, don't bet the 10. lol. rookie
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    10-18-2017 , 10:14 PM
    Lol at guys here thinking its good to go for 4 streets of value with trips in PLO #badreg
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    10-20-2017 , 01:51 PM
    Valuebetting being correct is contingent on being called by Ax, not just worse Tx; if you think only all worse Tx will call, this is a fairly easy checkback, as you don't have good equity against the subset of hands Tx and better that get here.

    Theoretically, this hand is probably close between a v-bet and checkback. One thing to note is that [AA, AT, T9] is a big chunk of even a reasonably wide 3-bet range pre, so you it's not like checking back your hand here will lead to a narrow v-betting range frequency-wise.

    Practically, if you crowdsource responses in this thread to decide 'what it's reasonable for villain to call with otr', then villain probably undercalls with Ax, meaning you should check back.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Rorooen
    What omaha is really teach me in poker to not build big pot to give up on later street
    I'm not sure this lesson is so useful. Seems too 'general'.

    Last edited by Rei Ayanami; 10-20-2017 at 02:00 PM.
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    10-21-2017 , 09:51 AM
    I like the flop bet cause you block the wrap/straight draws in his continuing range.... the turn bet seems good to me... I like a check on the river I just don't think we get called by worst often enough ... AP good fold on the river imo


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    10-21-2017 , 11:22 AM
    I think runout is important here, on a 3river it should be a bet, on a 9 maybe its too thin hard to decide. Villian raise is terrible tho w AT
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    10-21-2017 , 02:29 PM
    only call vs michaelangelo.
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    10-21-2017 , 02:45 PM
    Well played.

    So annoying when people raise river there when you're just snap-calling with AA so often.
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    10-21-2017 , 09:58 PM
    I like your play on every street. With 250bb in position you cannot make mistake by 3betting any semi connected ds hand. Surprised someone said we should check flop cause we re not way ahead and there are some good cards. Except Jd not to many good turn cards. So on flop we bluff which is perfectly fime as pfr. Turn bet is mandatory as we are getting call by AKxx very often. River is going for really thin value, but unfortunately looks like villain had aces and was prob going for turn check raise.
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    10-22-2017 , 02:21 AM
    I like to check this flop @Purasevic
    If we get raise we have to fold a lot of the time.Without flushdraw here our hand is loosing a lot of equity..But our hand is sometimes good enough to going for a delate c-bet on some good turns..
    Some villians tend to call more often some delate c-bets with some Axxx and he rarely puts us on trips here.But thats my theory.
    We are not drawing to the nuts anyway (exclude the one T) and I am not sure if we should bet three streets for value here.It depends on villian but I am not sure if this is a profitable play at general..
    Its very unusually to bluff in this spot on the river, I guess.
    Since we are deep here villian seems to play a passiv check/call line oop.
    I smell some bad Aces here like AA48...

    Last edited by MartinK1979; 10-22-2017 at 02:31 AM.
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