I am in the sb with KK72ss, the villian is raising 100% from button when the pot is unopened. Was my three bet too loose? Should I push all-in pf given the buttons stack size?

It's weird, people don't usually post when they get the money in good and win.


Only reason not to 3bet is if you are only doing it with AA/KK and villain is going to call super wide (probably 100%) and then you get to play can he beat an overpair OOP. And even then you should 3bet wider instead of tighter.

5bet is obvious. Calling and shoving 100% of flops is meh, he is probably more likely to call incorrectly than fold incorrectly. If you ever check/fold though it's terrible, unless he turns his cards face up.

Given villain's image and stacksize, I think GII preflop would've been fine. Especially at these stakes, people will gamble with just about AFC and hope variance happens. People will shove anything from 3456ds to AKQJ rainbow.

Assuming we were deeper OTF, at WORST case scenario, even if we give a strong narrow range for villain {22, 66, 26, qq, q2, q6, aa), it's still 45/55, not too shabby. Bet you though we're ahead an overwhelmingly majority of the time here.

Thanks,

I do tend to 3-bet mostly with AAxx. I play a too tight and I trying to open up my game. I also struggle a lot playing against maniacs.

Actually thought his 4-bet meant he might have AAxx, I seem to always pick the wrong spots against maniacs.

When you 3b with a marginal KK against a loose player it should always be with the intention of stacking off vs a 4b. So yeah, you should just stick the rest in pre.

You're not wrong. To clarify what I meant, I'm saying even if we're up against an unknown villain deeper given the same hand and flop (I included AA in v's range), we're at worst 45% and that's cutting down to a very unlikely narrow range. I used this tool: http://www.propokertools.com/simulations

But taking into account of villain's maniac image, stacksize and these stakes, I'm rarely folding here in this spot and would be happy to go all in pre.

with his stack size, even with aaxx hands and top 15% it's a coin flip. with top 20%+ you're a favourite so i think getting it in pre is good.

even if he turns his cards face up we have to call given his remaining stack i think

against crazy people like that, with stacksizes as they are any kings and any aces are a easy three bet.

I would also 3bet any three high cards with a suit. any decent queens. jacks with overs.

double suited to two high cards.


expect tons of variance, but that's the name of the game.

even most wild players will show up with AA after they four bet.

of course they might have them too. but depending on how aggressive they are, they might also just want to get chips in.

i played the other day with a dude who played 100% over 200 hands. raised 40% and if you raised him always re pot pre. and he has a 75% squeeze rate. What a lad! This sounds like that type of player: doesn't care about the money, just wants to get his stacks in with pretty cards.

he went from 20 bigs to 1000bb back down to 100bb.

these players exist, and without them some games wouldn't! What i'm saying is, if someone plays 100% of the hands, and raises a fair chunk and has been 3 and 4 betting light then yes, I will happily stack off with dry kings.
And if he has the Aces, good luck to him. Next hand, try again.

Against a 60bb stack, I'm GII with Kings pre, and a tone of other hands for value.

57,65% pre (almost flip)
flop 34% (bad)

Thinking because a player is loose and aggro you have him owned with KK is a huge mistake. Too aggressive for kings IMO, even when I play aces in PLO more "secretly" I end up winning more with them and losing less. More oponements hit lower sets, for example.

You're wrong about the flop.

If i fold I've lost $1.73. Going all-in for $1.26 more with 36% equity results in a loss of only $0.94, making it correct. With $3.51 in the pot and my opponent only having $1.26 left, I only need 21% equity to continue.

While I only had 34% against his hand, against his range I an doing much better and I am never folding here.

Preflop against his range (100%), I am 59.8% vs his 40.2%. That's significant. (I should have committed pre, but I didn't look at his stack size)

On the flop, I am 72% against a 100% range, and 48% against AA**, no way I am not committing on the flop.

Thanks to all for the replies.

It really helped, I was not confident how I looked at the hand and in my play. The feedback got me to think more about ranges and equities, and to do the calculations. I've been trying to increase my 3-betting, especially against button steals, so all your insights and advice are greatly appreciated.

Thanks again.

Standardish, would often just jam pre

The proper way is to look at it from the street, as if the money that got into the pot was gifted there. How much you personally contributed is irrelevant. On the flop you are getting 4:1 to stack off, so with 36% equity you are gaining 45 cents by check calling all in or betting and getting called. If you check folded the turn you would break even. Of course our expected equity is much higher as we will often have the best hand and the best draw.

i agree with your play and your calculations except i have a question about preflop range: when he 4 bets is his range still 100%?

It's fine. 3b/fold is good if you're deeper, but at this depth, once you 3bet it's pretty tough to fold.

His range for my 3-bet is close to 100%.

I agree that his 4-bet range is not 100%, my assumption is that against this particular player it is probably pretty high, and given that he 4-bet a tight player with AT66, I feel pretty good my read was correct.

I just used the 100% and the AA hand to show the my equity range on the flop.