2/5$ PLO
Hero: 1500$
Villain 2000$

Hero: JcJs6h7h
Villain: Ah10hXX

Preflop: Straddle 10$, villain pops it to 50$
Hero: Flat call

Board: Jh9h2c

Villain bets 125$
Hero: Pots it to 650$
Villain: Goes all in
Hero calls

Run out: Jh9h7h4c2d

Villain wins....


Should I have played this hand differently or is this a pretty standard situation where stacks collide?

From my perspective, my hand (JJ67) was garbage to begin with. I am practically set mining against a large stack which is most likely not profitable? (Not sure, but I would guess its a bad habit)

Generally, when you flop top set, are we looking to get stacks in immediately or should we see a turn to see if our opponents obvious draws get there and THEN proceed?

So villian beat you with Ace hi?

What happened to the 2c on the flop?

Is this HU? If it's ring wtf are the positions etc. How does the 2 on the flop go away and get replaced by the 7 from your hand?

Yes, random JJ hands are mostly garbage pre. assuming it's ring and you just randomly called an open with position.

Flop shows you getting stacks in (for 10x pot) with the nuts and blocking villains outs, wtf are you asking?

Assuming it's live villain is probably ok with you running it twice, if you want an easy way to lower variance.

hmmmm, coulda swore I put the rest of the board out. No the villain hit his flush draw and won.

The board was: Run out: [Flop]: Jh 9h 2d [Turn]: 7h [River]: 3s

It was all in on the flop.

Generally though, when you have top set and stacks are like 150bb-200bb deep, are we looking to play it differently? I just feel calling instead of potting on the flop is a weak play because you are giving him a cheap turn card. Granted, if we see a heart or straight get there, we can save money by folding. Maybe I'm confused on how PLO is played, I usually play NLH.

Looking for some answers from different perspectives here. Thanks in advance.

I'm aware my hand was garbage preflop so that was already a -EV move by calling. I was on the button by the way. It was a straddle, 1 caller, then a pot bet preflop by villain who had a monster stack. I think I actually had 1800$ to start the hand, not 1500$.

So generally at a ring game, live poker PLO, you want to play very tight? (The players are actually really bad and play garbage hands all the time. I would guess just playing tight and aggressive would be the best/easiest way to play for me since I am not a PLO expert either.) I usually try to see a cheap flop with 1010+ rag hands to hit a set... Maybe thats a huge mistake even against bad players?

I think every perspective will be fold pre and then this:

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When I make loose calls in very loose games, they're overlimps and even then I'm rarely overlimping w/JJxx. JJ67ss in particular's probably fine otb assuming blinds aren't wild. Ditching it from c/o.

If short stacking this game, tight aggro will work. When stacks are deep, later streets matter more (especially in PLO). On this board, You are a 60/40 favorite against AhTh8xXx and as much as a 70/30 if he doesn't hold straight outs. If you are looking for better odds than this, holdem will be your game.

More to the point you want to play good hands. You started out deep stacked and ended up short stacked in a hurry with a straddle and a big raise. So yeah, fold preflop most likely, although set mining at 30BBs isn't horrendous. The problem is this isn't Holdem and if you're simply set mining, then you're going to be losing money long term to players holding AKQQ, which is obviously a better hand than yours. But then, TT98 probably is too. Point being you can set mine, but you're supposed to set mine with better hands. Your 76 are not worthless but they don't combine with JJ at all. If you're going to play loose, at least play 3 cards that combine, rather than playing 2 separate Holdem hands. In fact playing 2 separate Holdem hands is the mark of most weak players.

Generally yes - you are happy to get in as much as possible immediately with top set. Exceptions to this rule occur when ranges are very narrow and you know that your opponent isn't going broke with bair 2 pair/lower set or bare wrap.

In that case just flatting the 3b/4b on flop and waiting for a safe turn is good. But here, your opponent can 2 pair + some SD even just a gutshot, lower set and a few more hands we're doing great against - so yeah, we want to get as much money in as possible against those hands.

You are thinking about the wrong things.