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Old 03-10-2019, 03:02 PM   #151
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Look at his last video at 9:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0He5ZTmfxk
Not saying JNandez played it correctly buts its not obviously bad.

JNandez 3bets AKT7ss, not the ace, (marginal but whatever), flops 2nd nut flush and cbets (completely standard). Villain calls and then donks out half pot on turn (board still unpaired). And this is the quintessential donk bet. Villain's line is entirely nonsensical. If you take a GTO, "range construction" approach, against this type of play then its close to an automatic turn call. Maybe there's more seasoned mid and small stakes grinders out there who just think its an easy fold because "they always have it" but at worst he's not max-exploiting competition that under bluffs.

Betting river just seems absolutely correct. I think you can argue a bit about sizing but it there's only ~1.25 PSB left, its hard to imagine villain going for some greedy CR play when living the dream of getting the bet/call you want is only like .5 pots better than just a standard lead. I think its more likely villain was just unaware of stack-sizes and didn't know how silly his play was as opposed to him winning some sort of leveling game. Getting your value from flush over flush is such a huge part of PLO grinding, just seems best for Nandez to go for max here and not worry too much about rare trickiness. Obviously getting raised sucks, but now you're getting 15-1 against a line that makes no sense. And I'm not even saying that calling is correct, just that its perfectly normal to do so, doing otherwise isn't indicative of you being a scam-artist fish.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:11 PM   #152
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https://clips.twitch.tv/PrettyFunnyS...esidentSleeper


EP with 9KKA, hero opens. 220BB deep. BB calls, covers.


Flop J7J

BB check, Hero checks.

Turn K

BB pots 35, Hero calls.

River T

BB Pots 105, Hero calls.



Great call from JNandez here.
Folding here is too tight imho.
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Old 03-10-2019, 05:14 PM   #153
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After 19 sessions he is only 2k up so it means he will never finished the 100k challenge.
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Old 03-10-2019, 09:28 PM   #154
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:17 PM   #155
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[ ] Jnandez Winning 100k in 100 days
[x] Ryan Fee winning 100k in 3 sessions (One of them <1 hour)
You do know that ryan is playing much higher stakes then jnandez right? And he get to play on ignition and jnandez doesn't. He definitely has a win rate edge just on that. Your comparing 2 players who play different stakes and 2 different situations. They are both solid. No reason to compare the 2.
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Old 03-10-2019, 10:21 PM   #156
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You do know that ryan is playing much higher stakes then jnandez right? And he get to play on ignition and jnandez doesn't. He definitely has a win rate edge just on that. Your comparing 2 players who play different stakes and 2 different situations. They are both solid. No reason to compare the 2.
No need to bring logic itt.
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:23 PM   #157
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Yes, but is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?
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Old 03-10-2019, 11:30 PM   #158
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No need to bring logic itt.
No logic allow lads
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:21 AM   #159
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Yes, but is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?
good enough to flat call top full house twice. that is next level thinking.
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Old 03-11-2019, 09:35 AM   #160
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good enough to flat call top full house twice. that is next level thinking.


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Old 03-11-2019, 10:43 AM   #161
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Not saying JNandez played it correctly buts its not obviously bad.

JNandez 3bets AKT7ss, not the ace, (marginal but whatever), flops 2nd nut flush and cbets (completely standard). Villain calls and then donks out half pot on turn (board still unpaired). And this is the quintessential donk bet. Villain's line is entirely nonsensical. If you take a GTO, "range construction" approach, against this type of play then its close to an automatic turn call. Maybe there's more seasoned mid and small stakes grinders out there who just think its an easy fold because "they always have it" but at worst he's not max-exploiting competition that under bluffs.

Betting river just seems absolutely correct. I think you can argue a bit about sizing but it there's only ~1.25 PSB left, its hard to imagine villain going for some greedy CR play when living the dream of getting the bet/call you want is only like .5 pots better than just a standard lead. I think its more likely villain was just unaware of stack-sizes and didn't know how silly his play was as opposed to him winning some sort of leveling game. Getting your value from flush over flush is such a huge part of PLO grinding, just seems best for Nandez to go for max here and not worry too much about rare trickiness. Obviously getting raised sucks, but now you're getting 15-1 against a line that makes no sense. And I'm not even saying that calling is correct, just that its perfectly normal to do so, doing otherwise isn't indicative of you being a scam-artist fish.
I would still saying his riverplay in this spot is bad. Lets say:
1. Villian has nothing here and bluffing with Axxx of spade the turn, is he calling a BIG river bet? --No
2. Villian has a low flush and put us on A-high flush (but we would probably raise his turn bet in this case, right?) is he calling a BIG riverbet with low flush? ---No.
3. Is he going to call a BIG riverbet with anything without a flush ---No.
4. if villian has it (in this case he has it really) with a big riverbet, we ARE POTCOMMITED...so and that is what Jnandez actually made here.. He was potcomitted and could never fold here getting a nice price..But his mistake was to do it by him self...

So there is no reason to bet the river big, that big as JNandez did...
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Old 03-11-2019, 12:30 PM   #162
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Martin, you should probably focus on your own shortcomings rather than the mistakes of others.

Jnandez is decent and more than qualified to be teaching beginner-intermediate players how to play PLO.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:14 PM   #163
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I would still saying his riverplay in this spot is bad. Lets say:
1. Villian has nothing here and bluffing with Axxx of spade the turn, is he calling a BIG river bet? --No
2. Villian has a low flush and put us on A-high flush (but we would probably raise his turn bet in this case, right?) is he calling a BIG riverbet with low flush? ---No.
3. Is he going to call a BIG riverbet with anything without a flush ---No.
4. if villian has it (in this case he has it really) with a big riverbet, we ARE POTCOMMITED...so and that is what Jnandez actually made here.. He was potcomitted and could never fold here getting a nice price..But his mistake was to do it by him self...

So there is no reason to bet the river big, that big as JNandez did...
the problem you have is youre just looking at your hand and trying to put V on a specific hand but he's playing range vs range and spr considerations and that's why you don't understand what he's actually doing in most spots. stacking off as a dog isn't terrible as long as you have the price. you seem to think you need to be a favourite otherwise you're a donk.

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Old 03-11-2019, 01:32 PM   #164
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is he calling a BIG riverbet with low flush? ---No.
I mean that's where I just strongly disagree. Try bluffing a lot in this spot, you'll see people call with worse flushes plenty, and its not even that wrong. Also how often they call isn't even really the question, with just a little over a PSB river bet left its just is "calling worse flush" > "trapping with nut flush". With more left behind its different since the As blocker shove is more of a threat to worry about. I think part of the idea behind large river sizing is to cancel out that threat. If we go for 1/3 sizing on river folding is still very uncomfortable since there's a much higher chance of villain bluffing.
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Old 03-11-2019, 01:59 PM   #165
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Martin, you should probably focus on your own shortcomings rather than the mistakes of others.

Jnandez is decent and more than qualified to be teaching beginner-intermediate players how to play PLO.
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Old 03-11-2019, 04:11 PM   #166
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Martin, you should probably focus on your own shortcomings rather than the mistakes of others.

Jnandez is decent and more than qualified to be teaching beginner-intermediate players how to play PLO.
Yeah thats true...
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:26 PM   #167
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eat my pepe @MartinK1979
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Old 03-11-2019, 05:59 PM   #168
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Was watching Jnandez video about how to crush PLO100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQvTZu1kdYQ

Now I got it finally..just have to run better 5 buy ins above EV, make notes and make a str8 red line...Have to work on it...Maybe on day it will be turn around
I am running f****more than 45 (FOURTY FIVE!!) buy ins UNDER EV Jnandez fan boys!!!!
And he is running 5 buy ins over and teaching you somethings..LIFE must be nice!
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:30 PM   #169
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Was watching Jnandez video about how to crush PLO100
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQvTZu1kdYQ

Now I got it finally..just have to run better 5 buy ins above EV, make notes and make a str8 red line...Have to work on it...Maybe on day it will be turn around
I am running f****more than 45 (FOURTY FIVE!!) buy ins UNDER EV Jnandez fan boys!!!!
And he is running 5 buy ins over and teaching you somethings..LIFE must be nice!
eat my pepe @MartinK1979
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:33 PM   #170
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ffs turn it in even if you were running 5 BI's above you'd still be a losing player. maybe you should take your complaint to the gaming comission and have them chastise the site for being meany fo-feeny to you for allowing their random shuffle to run you under your losing ev.
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Old 03-11-2019, 06:45 PM   #171
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michaelorcharlie you're not very good at memes are you?

we're 8 pages deep into this threat. down here salt is a way of life. everything is salt.
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Old 03-11-2019, 07:12 PM   #172
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Old 03-11-2019, 10:11 PM   #173
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I would still saying his riverplay in this spot is bad. Lets say:
you are overthinking it. Villain is an 80 vpip fish. He isn't folding any flush on the river. 95%+ of the time we have the best hand except if he's doing something tricky so we go big to maximise value.
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