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Originally Posted by NMcNasty
Not saying JNandez played it correctly buts its not obviously bad.
JNandez 3bets AKT7ss, not the ace, (marginal but whatever), flops 2nd nut flush and cbets (completely standard). Villain calls and then donks out half pot on turn (board still unpaired). And this is the quintessential donk bet. Villain's line is entirely nonsensical. If you take a GTO, "range construction" approach, against this type of play then its close to an automatic turn call. Maybe there's more seasoned mid and small stakes grinders out there who just think its an easy fold because "they always have it" but at worst he's not max-exploiting competition that under bluffs.
Betting river just seems absolutely correct. I think you can argue a bit about sizing but it there's only ~1.25 PSB left, its hard to imagine villain going for some greedy CR play when living the dream of getting the bet/call you want is only like .5 pots better than just a standard lead. I think its more likely villain was just unaware of stack-sizes and didn't know how silly his play was as opposed to him winning some sort of leveling game. Getting your value from flush over flush is such a huge part of PLO grinding, just seems best for Nandez to go for max here and not worry too much about rare trickiness. Obviously getting raised sucks, but now you're getting 15-1 against a line that makes no sense. And I'm not even saying that calling is correct, just that its perfectly normal to do so, doing otherwise isn't indicative of you being a scam-artist fish.
I would still saying his riverplay in this spot is bad. Lets say:
1. Villian has nothing here and bluffing with Axxx of spade the turn, is he calling a BIG river bet? --No
2. Villian has a low flush and put us on A-high flush (but we would probably raise his turn bet in this case, right?) is he calling a BIG riverbet with low flush? ---No.
3. Is he going to call a BIG riverbet with anything without a flush ---No.
4. if villian has it (in this case he has it really) with a big riverbet, we ARE POTCOMMITED...so and that is what Jnandez actually made here.. He was potcomitted and could never fold here getting a nice price..But his mistake was to do it by him self...
So there is no reason to bet the river big, that big as JNandez did...