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Old 02-17-2019, 12:27 PM   #76
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

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He's certainly better than anyone posting in this thread. Hence the resentment.

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That is false.
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Old 02-17-2019, 02:52 PM   #77
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I see 3.9evbb and $100k over ev. Pretty mediocre if u ask me.
While you worked for him he was `Galfond on steroids`(your words from JN discord), the only legit plo source of learning.He became mediocre and very bad in the meanwhile
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Old 02-17-2019, 05:21 PM   #78
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Jnandez is fine. It is literally the only training site. Even if he was legitimately bad it would be the best info available. But lucky for you guys he is just meh and not bad.

Actually I guess it depends on your definition of good. If you are playing micros he is good compared to you.
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:05 PM   #79
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He has been a winning player in every format of PLO- live, 6mx online from micros to HS, heads up, tournament PLO, all of these. That is no small feat.

5bb per hundred at mid-high stakes is also no small feat. He reveals plenty of his stats on the mastermind where he has won at incredible rates over fairly large samples. There isnt one number or stat that can summarize his career. He has gotten better over time, and played many formats of PLO on many sites and in many casinos. I owe him a lot
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Old 02-17-2019, 06:20 PM   #80
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are you guys trying to tilt me by using bb/100 instead of evbb/100?
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:46 PM   #81
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While you worked for him he was `Galfond on steroids`(your words from JN discord), the only legit plo source of learning.He became mediocre and very bad in the meanwhile
I still think he is the only legit source of PLO learning.

But 3.9evbb last 500k hands is legit mediocre. (His winrate was 6.xevbb before he started worshipping grant cardone)
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Old 02-17-2019, 11:47 PM   #82
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He has been a winning player in every format of PLO- live, 6mx online from micros to HS, heads up, tournament PLO, all of these. That is no small feat.

5bb per hundred at mid-high stakes is also no small feat. He reveals plenty of his stats on the mastermind where he has won at incredible rates over fairly large samples. There isnt one number or stat that can summarize his career. He has gotten better over time, and played many formats of PLO on many sites and in many casinos. I owe him a lot
And we reveal all our stats for free in our discord!
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Old 02-21-2019, 03:58 PM   #83
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Re: Is JNANDEZ really good at Omaha?

I saw his last videos on his new 100k challenge..I think he made some funny river calls after getting check raise or raised on the river where villian made a better hand...not sure about this...
I think his understanding of ranges and position is very good but he is making some questionable calls sometimes.
But who cares, he keeps going.
Just my 2 cent.
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Old 02-22-2019, 02:53 AM   #84
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JNandez got skin in the game big time. Respect.
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Old 02-22-2019, 05:41 AM   #85
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Theres something about his face and the way he says "LOLL" that just makes me throw up a little, but the man knows the game and explains it well. Definitely better than anyone posting here is or ever will be.
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Old 02-22-2019, 06:29 PM   #86
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He's certainly better than anyone posting in this thread. Hence the resentment.
haha.

He's plenty good enough, but maybe don't go that far.

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Definitely better than anyone posting here is or ever will be.
Do you even know all of the people posting in this thread? This is absurd.
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Old 02-22-2019, 08:31 PM   #87
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Definitely better than anyone posting here is or ever will be.
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Old 02-23-2019, 04:17 AM   #88
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JNandez got skin in the game big time. Respect.
Jnandez got scarf in the game big time.
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Old 02-23-2019, 05:02 PM   #89
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Old 02-24-2019, 04:50 PM   #90
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the only resentment is from the fanboy defenders that resent the quality of his play being called into question - asked honestly and humbly by patient and thoughtful posters.

Even if nandez is good, your immediate shooting down of the question denotes fear and maybe an unhealthy attachment.

Personally I don't believe he is a great player. I think he is a good player, where his fallback to aggression and willingness to gamble, and all around feel for the game helps him at his stakes.

As far as thinking things through and determining what he himself and his opponents rep, and then how to proceed from there, i think he falls short.

In the hand at 3:17, I think as played the river should be bet. If you're getting trapped you're getting trapped, but you rep enough to stab the river. I don't think it's safe to check and watch opponent fire out pot and then pat yourself on the back for a good fold and never think of the hand again. It's likely he bet because you forfeited the initiative essentially giving up. He can't check to induce and call with his little sdv.

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Old 02-27-2019, 09:42 PM   #91
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2+2 kicking another player down with a downswing like you guys have never had them. How good he is is based on you guys watching his graph go up and down. I seen 2+2 posters say ivey, dwan, isildur, antonius etc are fish that can't compete with todays players when they go on a downswing. But when they start winning everyone jumps back on the bandwagon. You guys act like you never been on a downswing and whoever is must be a bad player or can't compete against todays games. WHats next? You guys going to say its copyright infringement when he says bam cause its the same as bazam without the Z? I am sure you guys can troll Doug about it until he makes a 2 hr drama video how it a lawsuit. You guys just like to stir stuff up so you can get the popcorn out. If he is a bad player why don't you key board warriors go on twitch and show us how its done at 500z on poker stars. Just cause someone doesn't play the hand the way you would of played it doesn't mean your way is better. Last time I looked their is no golden key to plo.
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:02 AM   #92
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Nah I didn't say anything about JNandez....But his play is sometimes a little bit overrated...In the last few videos, he posted on youtube in his 100k challange, it seems his play is a little bit out of control tbh.
He pushed a 150BB stack on JJx Board with Aces... You can't tell me this is a good play here...
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Old 02-28-2019, 01:53 AM   #93
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Nah I didn't say anything about JNandez....But his play is sometimes a little bit overrated...In the last few videos, he posted on youtube in his 100k challange, it seems his play is a little bit out of control tbh.
He pushed a 150BB stack on JJx Board with Aces... You can't tell me this is a good play here...
I am sure I can find a lot of questionable decisions in all of your hand histories looking like donkey kong, but maybe you might have a read on the opponent on why you made that decision that I don't know about. I am sure the play your talking about might look odd to me too but he knows the dynamic and ranges of his opponent better then we do. You do know he has a hud up right? You just can't see it. Hes won for many years with his strat over big sample outlasting a lot of 500z regs that are now doing 9-5 jobs. Nobody said he was Ben86, but you guys should still show him some respect. If he is making mistakes I am sure he will have no problem figuring it out and making the proper adjustments to turn things around.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:30 AM   #94
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Everyone keeps saying that he is playing sloppy in the 100k challenge, but they are watching half hour highlight reels of sessions that are usually like 10 hours. These YouTube videos are the biggest, most notable pots. Any ten hour sessions will be full of mistakes. It takes confidence in your game to air your mistakes out in public.

If you guys would watch the actual real time streams of the challenge you would see the conservative, cautious side of his play. Basing your opinions of his skills off a couple sloppy hands in each highlight real, that he has the balls to post in front of the world, is unfair

Is Jnandez the best? No but he’s good enough,

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Old 02-28-2019, 05:33 AM   #95
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That's a straw argument. None of the people who are saying he isn't the best player in this thread are saying jnandez is bad.

Yeah of course anyone is going to have times where they play worse than usual; the more you have that, the worse you are, and the better you are, the stronger or less often your C game comes into play.
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Old 03-02-2019, 03:07 PM   #96
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to me the only thing that matters in poker is winrate. he is winning long term and has proven it which means he's either 'good' or very very 'lucky' but w/e.

the question should be 'is X a winning player'.
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Old 03-03-2019, 05:14 AM   #97
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I was watching his stream which he put on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZfXuYJZ0xg&t=710s

And frankly it looked like me on tilt. He moved all in with queens preflop and said if the guy has aces then he'll just have to hit a queen (it was a button raise, but still). In the worst hand I can remember, he has a jack high flush draw and an inside straight draw and decides to go with it. In another hand the opponent bets pot on the flop, he just has a pair of tens and says he's calling for his two pair draw although he suspects the guy has aces.

Is this really the way to play omaha? I mean I'm sure if I streamed myself playing at my current best there would be one or two questionable plays just due to the speed of online, but it seems he makes a lot of mistakes, at least in this session.

What do you guys think?
Very standard cold 4bet vs maniac. AQQTss is a top 4% hand, this isn't even a remotely close spot. He called with the pair of tens because of the odds the pot were offering him, the fact that he even debated whether it was close is a good example of his skill. Jnandez is an absolute crusher. Learn poker.
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Old 03-03-2019, 05:22 AM   #98
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the only resentment is from the fanboy defenders that resent the quality of his play being called into question - asked honestly and humbly by patient and thoughtful posters.

Even if nandez is good, your immediate shooting down of the question denotes fear and maybe an unhealthy attachment.

Personally I don't believe he is a great player. I think he is a good player, where his fallback to aggression and willingness to gamble, and all around feel for the game helps him at his stakes.

As far as thinking things through and determining what he himself and his opponents rep, and then how to proceed from there, i think he falls short.

In the hand at 3:17, I think as played the river should be bet. If you're getting trapped you're getting trapped, but you rep enough to stab the river. I don't think it's safe to check and watch opponent fire out pot and then pat yourself on the back for a good fold and never think of the hand again. It's likely he bet because you forfeited the initiative essentially giving up. He can't check to induce and call with his little sdv.
Dunning-Kruger'd
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Old 03-05-2019, 11:29 AM   #99
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to me the only thing that matters in poker is winrate. he is winning long term and has proven it which means he's either 'good' or very very 'lucky' but w/e.

the question should be 'is X a winning player'.
That's inane. Literally nobody who knows anything about PLO thinks JNandez is not a winning player.
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Old 03-06-2019, 03:40 AM   #100
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That's inane. Literally nobody who knows anything about PLO thinks JNandez is not a winning player.
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but the question of being 'good' is also inane because winning over time automatically makes you 'good'. that was my point.
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